Program offers ASA / Delta interview to UNDrs
10-31-2011, 03:06 PM
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You are wrong, this was a regional airline who at the time could not find qualified applicants because the pay was so shiddey. They hired nearly anyone they could and upgraded anyone they could. Totally different business model. Delta has control of who they hire. You better start studying for that psych test they have 
Not interested in working for Delta.
10-31-2011, 03:08 PM
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10-31-2011, 04:09 PM
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I'd like to hear you talk some more about the "brilliant design by all" in terms of risk and reward for each participant.
Here's my quicktake:
Student: Risks ~$150K to prepare for a VERY narrow window of opportunity in a highly cyclical industry. If there are no jobs available (market shrinking) at graduation then the student takes on full financial risk without competitive tangible skills elsewhere in the industry. How long does it take to reach salary/student loan breakeven? Here's a calculator to help with the math (scroll down):
Airline Pilot Central - Handling College Loan Repayment
Financially, it would be a much much better choice to attend a tech school to become a plumber.
University: Risk is marketing to enough students to keep the college viable, very little long term exposure other than long term debt on operating assets. Shoulders zero responsibility to the student should they not get hired.
Airline: Zero risk to sign an agreement to offer conditional employment. The airlines can change the conditions on a whim to make graduates fall below the threshold of being competitive.
In another post you mentioned academic classes and simulators that teach how to start a jet engine. While those classes might be fine, keep in mind that they don't produce qualified and proficient airmen. There are currently thousands and thousands of qualified, high-time, experienced pilots on the sidelines because they don't want to fly for poverty wages. For you to throw a turd like this out for discussion and then sing it's praises is an insult.
Here's my quicktake:
Student: Risks ~$150K to prepare for a VERY narrow window of opportunity in a highly cyclical industry. If there are no jobs available (market shrinking) at graduation then the student takes on full financial risk without competitive tangible skills elsewhere in the industry. How long does it take to reach salary/student loan breakeven? Here's a calculator to help with the math (scroll down):
Airline Pilot Central - Handling College Loan Repayment
Financially, it would be a much much better choice to attend a tech school to become a plumber.
University: Risk is marketing to enough students to keep the college viable, very little long term exposure other than long term debt on operating assets. Shoulders zero responsibility to the student should they not get hired.
Airline: Zero risk to sign an agreement to offer conditional employment. The airlines can change the conditions on a whim to make graduates fall below the threshold of being competitive.
In another post you mentioned academic classes and simulators that teach how to start a jet engine. While those classes might be fine, keep in mind that they don't produce qualified and proficient airmen. There are currently thousands and thousands of qualified, high-time, experienced pilots on the sidelines because they don't want to fly for poverty wages. For you to throw a turd like this out for discussion and then sing it's praises is an insult.
10-31-2011, 04:20 PM
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Ya'll are missing the big picture. These guys will be offered an interview with Delta. That's all. They are not offered preferential hiring or any cutting of slack. They still have to hold their own against every other candidate in their interview group. They have to compete on a level field with all the other regional captains, corporate operators and military pilots. They will have to convince the line pilot, sitting in the interview why they, with limited experience, are a better choice than more qualified interviewees.
I see very few making it through the cut. And as a Delta pilot, believe me when I say, the line pilots have a BIG say in the hiring process.
I see very few making it through the cut. And as a Delta pilot, believe me when I say, the line pilots have a BIG say in the hiring process.
10-31-2011, 04:35 PM
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Well, this will add another $1 billion to the student loan debt! Also, I'm pretty sure ALPA won't let some newbie have special advantages over guys that have been stuck on the shelf waiting their turn to move on. Besides, if you've ever worked as a DCI carrier you know how easy Mamma Delta turns the switch on and off.
10-31-2011, 04:38 PM
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10-31-2011, 04:49 PM
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These days kids call 121 and 135 time sitting in your dorm room playing MS Flight Simulator...
10-31-2011, 05:33 PM
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In the last 12 years I have known hundreds of instructors, students, and friends that have learned to fly Delta's way and have flown RJs for Delta-owned and Delta-run regionals. Delta has controlled every aspect of this pilot pipeline.
Out of these hundreds of pilots, how many do I know that were hired by Delta? Three.
The UND Ponzi scam has been pulled before. Lots of luck to anyone that pays $200,000 to possibly have a shot at a chance to maybe interview at Delta someday.
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