Colgan 3407 crash...Chief Pilot Emails
10-26-2011, 07:43 AM
#71
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So true.
I think the best thing that anyone could take from this unfortunate accident is to reflect on what mistakes were made in the cockpit at the time, and learn from them. The past is for reflection and gaining understanding of what to and what not to do....not residency!
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10-26-2011, 07:51 AM
#72
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You know it brotha, amen!
Even so, 3 checkrides a week at $500 per ride, with the occasional reexamination fee, isn't bad at the end of the month.
The FAA should go back to the pre-3407 policy of purging failures after 5 years, it's hurting too many people careers not to do so. A lot of good people out there who had a few bad days, are being looked at as if they're lower than dog excrement.
Even so, 3 checkrides a week at $500 per ride, with the occasional reexamination fee, isn't bad at the end of the month.
The FAA should go back to the pre-3407 policy of purging failures after 5 years, it's hurting too many people careers not to do so. A lot of good people out there who had a few bad days, are being looked at as if they're lower than dog excrement.
10-26-2011, 08:32 AM
#73
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Just a little perspective here. Nearly 15 years ago, I failed my private, comm, and CFII, All with the same examiner. They were legit busts, but he was a tough examiner.
All these years later I have 4 transport category PIC type ratings. I've been a 121 captain on 3 of those planes. I have more than enough 121 PIC time. I'm a sim instructor at my airline. I've taken more than a decade worth of 121 recurrent check rides and line checks and fed observations. I've never had a single 121 failure in all of those years. In fact, I've never had to retrain a single event on any of those check rides. Never needed an extra sim session. Even debrief items are rare.
Why should I still be penalized for those three failures 15 years ago?
All these years later I have 4 transport category PIC type ratings. I've been a 121 captain on 3 of those planes. I have more than enough 121 PIC time. I'm a sim instructor at my airline. I've taken more than a decade worth of 121 recurrent check rides and line checks and fed observations. I've never had a single 121 failure in all of those years. In fact, I've never had to retrain a single event on any of those check rides. Never needed an extra sim session. Even debrief items are rare.
Why should I still be penalized for those three failures 15 years ago?
10-26-2011, 01:52 PM
#74
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10-26-2011, 03:03 PM
#77
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10-26-2011, 07:11 PM
#78
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
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Moral of the story:
Don't write anything on your company or union email account that you wouldn't want some idiot lawyer to take out of context and make public.
After all, I'd love to know if any of these lawyers ever failed the bar exam. Wonder if we get to count that against them like they do a checkride failure against us?
Don't write anything on your company or union email account that you wouldn't want some idiot lawyer to take out of context and make public.
After all, I'd love to know if any of these lawyers ever failed the bar exam. Wonder if we get to count that against them like they do a checkride failure against us?
10-26-2011, 07:30 PM
#79
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10-26-2011, 10:11 PM
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And how did it ruin your career???
You can't fly for an airline with 300 hours, really?
Go out and pay your dues. Go out and build time. Go out and build experience.
Sorry, I'm an "old guy", mid 40s. Almost 3000 hrs of CFI and single pilot freight before I saw a turbine engine.
And I now have almost 20,000 hrs including 6000 pic in the Dash. And a Dash8 stall is very easy to recover from.
So yes, this accident was an experience issue.
Just the way it is, a lot of low time pilots that think they know more and are better than they are.
I learn something on every flight.
You can't fly for an airline with 300 hours, really?
Go out and pay your dues. Go out and build time. Go out and build experience.
Sorry, I'm an "old guy", mid 40s. Almost 3000 hrs of CFI and single pilot freight before I saw a turbine engine.
And I now have almost 20,000 hrs including 6000 pic in the Dash. And a Dash8 stall is very easy to recover from.
So yes, this accident was an experience issue.
Just the way it is, a lot of low time pilots that think they know more and are better than they are.
I learn something on every flight.
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