Airlines say New rules would cut 27,000 jobs!
09-16-2011, 01:18 PM
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I'd like to see ALPA, APA, SWPA, USAPA, IPA, Teamsters, and what ever other organization represents an airline join forces to squash this nonsense before it becomes viral on CNN or MSNBC. This is just another perfect example of "safety" being put in the back seat. Maybe its time the flying public is truly exposed to what pilots go through. PBS documentaries and side articles in the USA Today aren't enough.
09-16-2011, 01:59 PM
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09-16-2011, 02:19 PM
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I'd like to see ALPA, APA, SWPA, USAPA, IPA, Teamsters, and what ever other organization represents an airline join forces to squash this nonsense before it becomes viral on CNN or MSNBC. This is just another perfect example of "safety" being put in the back seat. Maybe its time the flying public is truly exposed to what pilots go through. PBS documentaries and side articles in the USA Today aren't enough.
I for one, don't want my union supporting the proposed new rules. Our contract is more restrictive in many respects and it would probably end up screwing up our pairings to resemble the crap that most pax pilots have to fly.
09-16-2011, 02:26 PM
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Then you're in the small miniority that don't like it and I hope the FAA takes your opinion, ignores it, and passes new rest rules.
09-16-2011, 02:32 PM
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Let me guess, you are part of the baby booming me generation. God forbid that you could support something that would be beneficial to the profession.
09-16-2011, 02:51 PM
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The rules would not cost 27,000 pilot jobs. The rules would require more pilots, which would cost the airlines money. This is known.
Now for the spin:
What the airlines/ATA (the ones who wrote the article, by the way) want you to think is that due to the higher pilot labor cost burden on the airlines, either:
1) flights would get cut - costing aviation jobs, or
2) ticket prices would have to go up, which would reduce the number of passengers thus reducing the number of flights - costing aviation jobs.
In other words, the airlines/ATA are threatening to shrink rather than hire one more pilot, and shrinking is bad for everyone, so don't make us hire any pilots so everyone can keep their jobs.
Now for the spin:
What the airlines/ATA (the ones who wrote the article, by the way) want you to think is that due to the higher pilot labor cost burden on the airlines, either:
1) flights would get cut - costing aviation jobs, or
2) ticket prices would have to go up, which would reduce the number of passengers thus reducing the number of flights - costing aviation jobs.
In other words, the airlines/ATA are threatening to shrink rather than hire one more pilot, and shrinking is bad for everyone, so don't make us hire any pilots so everyone can keep their jobs.
09-16-2011, 02:58 PM
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.People will complain when gas above $4 a gallon again. People will complain when the price of a gallon of milk or a loaf of Wonder Bread doubles, but 'most' people will still buy milk and bread.
In the end - it is still NOT the flying public that sets prices. One problem (possibly last seen when the airline tickets taxes were not being collected) is that it is doubtful that any increases in ticket prices or cost savings (in the form of no taxes in my example) are either given to employees as wage increases OR passed on to the consumers as price decreases. Only management seems to benefit from such occurrences
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09-16-2011, 03:14 PM
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I support AMs staying AMs, and PMs to PMs, some possible timezone crossing provisions, and rest beginning when the crew reaches their hotel rooms. Other than that, I'm a little skeptical of any piece of complex legislation that has been influenced by many groups.
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