higney85

A better solution. Sign an LOA NOT forcing every displacement to spur a secondary (as the JCBA mandates). Then, you raise hiring mins going forward and only interview/hire through 1 pipeline. Everyone keeps their job, seniority is intact, company makes money, and our pilots can still move around to where they want (obviously seniority rules).

In return, the company could be willing to absorb some of the "excess" to keep ahead of attrition for the first time ever at 9E and 9L. What a concept. Everybody wins.

Too easy I guess. I didn't even need a drink to come up with that one.

Bartok

Lol, you've been drinking since the displacements started!

joethepilot

So we sign this LOA you're suggesting... and when they close the next Saab base... for ****s and giggles lets say its MSP(no i don't know anything)... you then expect the comany to absorb 80 secondary displacements just because they're allowed to do that now? Don't think so.

Also, if you haven't caught on yet, they could have absorbed every single one of those displacements if they wanted. Mr. Workman is notorious for putting out a "revised vacancy/realignment/award" right before the close, right after he runs everyone's current bid card through the computer. Ask some Mesaba guys, happens all the time. So if he wanted to absorb any secondary vacancies he would simply put out a revised realignment with an increase in the number of vacancies in the position he wanted to absorb. Yeah, it might cause a few voluntary moves into that position, but they can tell how many, and I guarantee you they run the numbers and change it to cost the least amount of dollars.

This is not the one aircraft type in each base type of airline anymore. vacancies/realignments/displacements are much more complicated than they were in the pinnacle world of old.

higney85

You may want to see the staffing, including the training numbers and the number of pilots awaiting class dates elsewhere.

SLIbandit

Here's an even easier solution: how about all new hires actually have experience flying, as in 1500 TT, an ATP, actual PIC in something besides the little mosquito they soloed in. Fly cargo, checks, instruct, SOMETHING!! I'm tired of the pilot mill / wet ticket, clueless parental trust-fund idiots!! Go prove you can actually hand fly something, at night, in weather, possibly alone even, and do it for a few years.
I see baby captains with no PIC in anything somehow survive upgrade only to scare the crap out of countless FOs. It's not a matter of "if", it is a matter of "when"......

PropDriver

Here's a thought: Hire every one of the Republic furloughees. They had to have an ATP to get on there and they all can pass a Part 121 training program.

Problem solved.

Time for a beer...

Avroman

Nobody with that experience is interested in being a first officer on the Saab in Dulles for years for the crap pay a regional offers.... they are all either applying to a major, a corporate outfit, or have quit the industry and are working elsewhere.

atpwannabe

That's cool. I like HOU b/c it's on the water...Gulf of Mexico and the cost of living is pretty decent. The DC area wouldn't be too bad either b/c I have a brother that lives in Silver Spring and a sister that lives in Bowie.


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WIPilot

I dont think you could be more wrong. Where are these major and corporate jobs that you speak of? consider these furloughs are pretty much newhires.