Pncl fences
#221
I'm sure there are other reps that post anonymously on public web boards, but since we do not know who they are, we take their statements with a grain of salt. Now for those reps that post openly, I think they should be VERY careful in mixing factual comments and statements with personal opinion. This mixing becomes misinformation, and can undermine the solidarity of the union, and disrupt both the direction and intent of the MEC. Unfortunately, this is very hard, if not impossible to do. Therefore, I do not believe reps should be able to post openly on public forums without MEC oversight of each and every comment. Even if they are no longer reps. Since there is still a back source of information through friendships. I understand some like the information stream, but maybe we can learn from Colgan in those respects, with their updates on social media sites and former MEC communications.
And Jayray, it has little to do with the "outcome I want". I am a DTW pilot (for now at least). I want to see the best people represent the collective group. What I DON'T want to see is political moves to make it happen. I left burned out of the union politics, at this point they still make me angry. I don't see anyone being a "Front runner" for MEC chair at this point.
The 3-day pickups were always looked at as a LOA leverage piece by 9E. Some guys like to work, and the union should NOT be able to tell me how much I can work. Policing our own group only turns people away from support.
#222
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,351
Okay.
Consider this.....
Say my base has twenty pilots and ten are Captain Credithours whose goal is to fly 100.0 hours each month. As a result, the company bases staffing on an artificially high flight time per pilot ratio. One month, two of them are in recurrent and another pair take vacation. Guess what, suddenly we regular guys are getting extended and drafted like there is no tomorrow.
Or consider this....
My company staffing is based on pilots flying 95 hours per month. As a result, we only have four crews per aircraft. The company buys another airline that is staffed at five crews per aircraft. After the purchase, my company realizes it is understaffed, so it hires and upgrades. The two pilot groups are merged but only through arbitration. The arbitrator looks at the snap-shot numbers, sets captain quotas, and when all is said and done, my company is forced to flow back a bunch of recently upgraded captains.
Sound familiar?
Consider this.....
Say my base has twenty pilots and ten are Captain Credithours whose goal is to fly 100.0 hours each month. As a result, the company bases staffing on an artificially high flight time per pilot ratio. One month, two of them are in recurrent and another pair take vacation. Guess what, suddenly we regular guys are getting extended and drafted like there is no tomorrow.
Or consider this....
My company staffing is based on pilots flying 95 hours per month. As a result, we only have four crews per aircraft. The company buys another airline that is staffed at five crews per aircraft. After the purchase, my company realizes it is understaffed, so it hires and upgrades. The two pilot groups are merged but only through arbitration. The arbitrator looks at the snap-shot numbers, sets captain quotas, and when all is said and done, my company is forced to flow back a bunch of recently upgraded captains.
Sound familiar?
Or you could negotiate a real rate of pay that makes it easy to stay at home on days off. DAL JCBA CRJ-900 bankruptcy rates are a good start.
#223
Well look at it this way: the union shouldn't limit my ability to work. If they want to protect pilot jobs have a clause in the contract like this: "pilots will be permitted to voluntarily pick up flying to the limitations set forth by the FAA. The company will be responsible for staffing the airline such that all awarded flying, open time, and reserve assignments are based on the average eligible guarantee of all bid-eligible pilots (approx 75 hours)." That way the company has the staffing to cover their operation, but we can pick up to FARs.
Or you could negotiate a real rate of pay that makes it easy to stay at home on days off. DAL JCBA CRJ-900 bankruptcy rates are a good start.
Or you could negotiate a real rate of pay that makes it easy to stay at home on days off. DAL JCBA CRJ-900 bankruptcy rates are a good start.
#224
I know y'all know I work for 9e and therefore won't believe me without proof, so I would be happy to email you the official union email we received about it, along with the secret decoder ring, last 4 digits of my social, and a notarized copy.....
#225
worked on....The XJ MEC shot it down. 9L and 9E wanted to be able to pick up on 4 days off (up from the current 3). XJ said nope so we are limited to 3 days.
I know y'all know I work for 9e and therefore won't believe me without proof, so I would be happy to email you the official union email we received about it, along with the secret decoder ring, last 4 digits of my social, and a notarized copy.....
I know y'all know I work for 9e and therefore won't believe me without proof, so I would be happy to email you the official union email we received about it, along with the secret decoder ring, last 4 digits of my social, and a notarized copy.....
It's one of the few things that actually looks out for the junior pilot at the expense of the senior. I actually like the provision except that the company keeps building most of the trips as un pickupable 4 days. The thing that should change isn't the extra day but the ability to pick up a trip that doesn't have to start and end in the same base. Pick up 3 days of the 4 day even though it starts in MSP and would end in JFK for example, just make scheduling have to put a legal deadhead on it...
#227
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 38
worked on....The XJ MEC shot it down. 9L and 9E wanted to be able to pick up on 4 days off (up from the current 3). XJ said nope so we are limited to 3 days.
I know y'all know I work for 9e and therefore won't believe me without proof, so I would be happy to email you the official union email we received about it, along with the secret decoder ring, last 4 digits of my social, and a notarized copy.....
I know y'all know I work for 9e and therefore won't believe me without proof, so I would be happy to email you the official union email we received about it, along with the secret decoder ring, last 4 digits of my social, and a notarized copy.....
I also heard there was a compromise proposed that 9E and 9L shot down. The 9E MEC only tells you what they want you to know.
Its the truth, just not the whole truth.
#228
#229
they probably didn't tell us because it is a RUMOR. lemme guess the compromise was 3 1/2 days? or it only benefitted 1 of the pilot groups, whicjh is why it was turned down?
#230
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 38
Nope it was still 4 days. We could have had what we wanted. But our MEC is so into themselves that it is their way or the highway. They don't compromise which is why we didnt get a contract on our own.
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