Rama04

THEN ON MY LITTLE PLANE, WE SHOULD COME BEFORE YOU. After all, your paycheck doesnt say Pinnacle...
Hows that for arrogance? You gave the scope away yourself... give it up dude!

LostInPA

Actually, if they're DAL Global Services, they're not really 'Delta employees'. They travel at yet a different priority. I think some of the sim instructors and charter coordinators fall under that as well. Don't see as much outrage about these functions being outsourced.

If mainline people want to pull the 'it's our flying' argument, then fine. Put your people on your airplanes first. But when it's our metal, don't whine when our people get on first. I'm fine with it, I know the score, I still don't like it. But I guess we are all equal, but some are more equal than others.

And on the subject of retirees getting on before we Express/Connection peons, well then; at least I have a decent commuter policy. Enjoying another night at home never felt so good.

AV8R

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Silver02ex

If you flew for Delta Connection, and a brand new Delta employee gave a buddy pass to that wheel chair pusher. He bumps your parents on a Delta flight, how do you think it would make you feel? This is why Delta benefits is a joke. With Northwest, never can a buddy pass rider bump a NWA or NWA Airlink's parents out of a NWA flight. So My point is my parents goes below ANY buddy pass on a Delta flight. I don't expect my parents to be up there with us or Delta parent but really? A Buddy pass rider who is a friend of a friend of a DAL employee can bump my parents.

Better yet, I'll turn it around for you... Your parents wants to board a Pinnacle operated flight. I gave a buddy pass to a wheel chair pusher, he bumps you parents. How would you feel now? Oh I know, you wouldn't ever know since we don't get buddy passes either, but some other DCA do. I don't feel us (DCA) should be up there behind DAL active, parents, or retirees, but do you think it's fair that Buddy passes bumps parents? I loved how they changed the rule earlier this year while my dad was in Tokyo, and 10 buddy passes who was suppose to be behind him got moved up in front.

Silver02ex

I work for Deta Connection, I know where I stand and can accept it. I'm not saying I shold go above your paents or retirees, but what I have a problem is a BUDDY PASS who can be a friend or a friend of a friend of a friend, can bump my parents out of a Delta flight. Honestly do you think that's acceptable?

Acutally, about your last statement you DO go above our retirees on a Pinnacle operated flight. Since you will be S3 and our retirees are S3R. You can go above our retirees but we can't go above your retirees? Hummmm You can even go above me even with me being a Pinnacle employee on a Pinnacle operated flight. If you have a earlier hire date. Oh and if you select S2 option I can forget about going in front of you even if it's on the Pinnacle operated flight.

I'll give you the key point:

We (Pinnacle employees) cannot bump you, your parents, or retirees on a DELTA OPERATED flight, but YOU (Delta employees) ALWAYS bump, my parents, our retirees even sometimes ME on a PINNACLE OPERATED flight. The very same airplane that we fly, our MX service, and says our company's name and logo on it, you might have just bumped my wife or kids off. Think about it the next time you board a plane that says "Operated by ........"

I'll give you another story to think about. This is on a Pinnacle operated flight, that I worked from DTW - PIT. It was booked full, a Pinnacle and Delta guy shows up for the Jumpseat, ofcouse both are listed as a non-rev also. The jumpseat would have gone to the Pinnacle guy. Both pilots are listed as S3 in the back. The Delta guys is more senior by 2 months. The flight was weight critical, and we couldn't take any jumpseater, we tried everything possible, change route, move bags, front to back, back to front. change altitude. One seat opens up since the last PAX didn't show up. Guess who got the seat in the back? The Delta guy because he was hired 2 months earlier. The Delta guy got to go home to his family while the Pinnacle guy got to spend another night in DTW. All we got after that flight was a dirty look from the Delta guy when he walked off the plane.

80ktsClamp

Great point. Guess what? You're still outsourced labor. Want priority? Get a job at mainline.

In fact, do we need to make an outsourced nonrev version of this form for you?

jayray2

The simple solution to this problem is for mainline to stop contracting out "their" flying. Then one simple DOH based system is sufficient and this thread would not be needed.

Also, if you are commuting to work, in a pinch just call crew scheduling and they will put you at the top of the non-rev list if needed. I've never been hassled for doing that. Getting home, I can empathize, it is never fun watching a ramper or buddy pass rider take the last seat as your two days off just turned into one day off.

80ktsClamp

Agreed all around... this is the ideal solution, but will take quite a few years to fix.

jayray2

Yes, how many times are you going to repeat this? Just to play devils advocate, your company would fall apart at the seams and cease to exist without outsourced labor unless there is a major change in the way this industry works. Also, how much worse do you think the pathetic pay at the Majors would be without Regional labor making it so you can be at the top of the food chain? That is the little dark secret of this industry, pilot pay at the top is subsidized by the bottom. You can be clever and call all the people working below you outsourced labor but we are all doing the same job - some people got lucky and got hired at the right place at the right time or knew someone who pulled some strings. You don't really think everyone at Delta has superior piloting skills or great personalities do you?

Silver02ex

Didn't you use to work for a regional? If so, it's pathetic how you can look down on us when you get to the other side. How many times are you go to keep saying we are outsourced? did I say are not? Did I say we should be the same as Delta? Yes I want priority, on the ones we operate, the one our company fix when it's broken, the one that has our company name on it, the ones that take Delta's passenger where they need to go.