XJ, 9E, 9L travel benefits
08-20-2011, 06:49 AM
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Wheel Chair pushers don't get travel benefits, they are contracted. Don't your displaced pilots get moving benefits and a free full paid move? My only point was is that no one is forced to do anything. You can move, commute, change jobs, ect. To think that commuting pilots should get higher priority on someone elses airline just because they choose to commute doesn't have much merit. When I retire from Delta I think I will have earned the privledge to travel as a higher priority than people who never worked for Delta. It's not your company.
I have no problem with anyone at mainline, active or retired getting a seat before me. Mainline metal = mainline decides who gets on. I just want to be next in line behind mainline, then have travel buddies, and all of that crap.
08-20-2011, 07:42 AM
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And you think you have the right to be placed above someone who spent probably over 25 yrs at Delta and retired ................
You dont work for Delta! The company you fly for contracts out with Delta to fly DELTA"S passengers, period!
In fact, my parents should be in front of all other non Delta non-revs.
So according to your logic, I should be able to non rev in front of retirees from your company then.
What arrogance!
08-20-2011, 07:51 AM
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What's the name of the carrier that signs your pay check? What was the name of the carrier that signed the retiree's pay check ?
And you think you have the right to be placed above someone who spent probably over 25 yrs at Delta and retired ................
You dont work for Delta! The company you fly for contracts out with Delta to fly DELTA"S passengers, period!
In fact, my parents should be in front of all other non Delta non-revs.
So according to your logic, I should be able to non rev in front of retirees from your company then.
What arrogance!
And you think you have the right to be placed above someone who spent probably over 25 yrs at Delta and retired ................
You dont work for Delta! The company you fly for contracts out with Delta to fly DELTA"S passengers, period!
In fact, my parents should be in front of all other non Delta non-revs.
So according to your logic, I should be able to non rev in front of retirees from your company then.
What arrogance!
08-20-2011, 08:57 AM
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What's the name of the carrier that signs your pay check? What was the name of the carrier that signed the retiree's pay check ?
And you think you have the right to be placed above someone who spent probably over 25 yrs at Delta and retired ................
You dont work for Delta! The company you fly for contracts out with Delta to fly DELTA"S passengers, period!
In fact, my parents should be in front of all other non Delta non-revs.
So according to your logic, I should be able to non rev in front of retirees from your company then.
What arrogance!
And you think you have the right to be placed above someone who spent probably over 25 yrs at Delta and retired ................
You dont work for Delta! The company you fly for contracts out with Delta to fly DELTA"S passengers, period!
In fact, my parents should be in front of all other non Delta non-revs.
So according to your logic, I should be able to non rev in front of retirees from your company then.
What arrogance!
current employees regardless of company should get priority over retired employees...I don't believe you should get a benefit over a current employee, you already get to keep your flight priveledges, thats your benefit. An FO on his first day should get a seat from a 30 year retired delta captain, (he is retired now...his benefit is he keeps his flight priveledge) (this view may may change when I get to mainline one day)
but this view can be passed to any other job where current employees vs retired
I'm not gonna miss work b/c Phil the retired 777 capt wants to go to florida
08-20-2011, 09:04 AM
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...I'm not sure I share your views...
current employees regardless of company should get priority over retired employees...I don't believe you should get a benefit over a current employee, you already get to keep your flight priveledges, thats your benefit. An FO on his first day should get a seat from a 30 year retired delta captain, (he is retired now...his benefit is he keeps his flight priveledge) (this view may may change when I get to mainline one day)
but this view can be passed to any other job where current employees vs retired
I'm not gonna miss work b/c Phil the retired 777 capt wants to go to florida
current employees regardless of company should get priority over retired employees...I don't believe you should get a benefit over a current employee, you already get to keep your flight priveledges, thats your benefit. An FO on his first day should get a seat from a 30 year retired delta captain, (he is retired now...his benefit is he keeps his flight priveledge) (this view may may change when I get to mainline one day)
but this view can be passed to any other job where current employees vs retired
I'm not gonna miss work b/c Phil the retired 777 capt wants to go to florida
08-20-2011, 09:22 AM
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...I'm not sure I share your views...
current employees regardless of company should get priority over retired employees...I don't believe you should get a benefit over a current employee, you already get to keep your flight priveledges, thats your benefit. An FO on his first day should get a seat from a 30 year retired delta captain, (he is retired now...his benefit is he keeps his flight priveledge) (this view may may change when I get to mainline one day)
but this view can be passed to any other job wherecurrent employees vs retired
I'm not gonna miss work b/c Phil the retired 777 capt wants to go to florida
current employees regardless of company should get priority over retired employees...I don't believe you should get a benefit over a current employee, you already get to keep your flight priveledges, thats your benefit. An FO on his first day should get a seat from a 30 year retired delta captain, (he is retired now...his benefit is he keeps his flight priveledge) (this view may may change when I get to mainline one day)
but this view can be passed to any other job wherecurrent employees vs retired
I'm not gonna miss work b/c Phil the retired 777 capt wants to go to florida
08-20-2011, 09:25 AM
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Ok I see your point...I'll change my view and say within company they shouldn't get priority. SO a regional FO can't bump a mainline retired anything. but within mainline or the regional no retired can bump any current employees
08-20-2011, 09:29 AM
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...I'm not sure I share your views...
current employees regardless of company should get priority over retired employees...I don't believe you should get a benefit over a current employee, you already get to keep your flight priveledges, thats your benefit. An FO on his first day should get a seat from a 30 year retired delta captain, (he is retired now...his benefit is he keeps his flight priveledge) (this view may may change when I get to mainline one day)
but this view can be passed to any other job where current employees vs retired
I'm not gonna miss work b/c Phil the retired 777 capt wants to go to florida
current employees regardless of company should get priority over retired employees...I don't believe you should get a benefit over a current employee, you already get to keep your flight priveledges, thats your benefit. An FO on his first day should get a seat from a 30 year retired delta captain, (he is retired now...his benefit is he keeps his flight priveledge) (this view may may change when I get to mainline one day)
but this view can be passed to any other job where current employees vs retired
I'm not gonna miss work b/c Phil the retired 777 capt wants to go to florida
1) Regional airline pilots are outsourced, contract labor.
2) You get only what you negotiate
Your regional airline hasn't chosen to negotiate with the mainline carrier a better benefit package for you. They're paid a fee for the service they provide and thats that. You're not a Delta employee, you're a service provider that works under a multitude of contracts, most of which you have no control over.
Mainline employees have been lucky enough to gain employment with the airline that provides the benefit. Lots of perks come with this, including the ability to directly negotiate with the company for things such as travel benefits. Part of this is the benefit for retired pilots... many of whom put in more years of service to the carrier than a lot of regional airline pilots have been alive.
Like it or not, mainline employees are a higher class. For the most part, they're more important, treated better, and have undergone tighter selection criteria and consequently enjoy greater benefits. Nonrevving is that, a benefit. It is a benefit that regional carriers do not have access to at the same level. Often, contractors do not get any benefit from the contracting company... so at least consider it nice that you're allowed to nonrev at all.
08-20-2011, 10:28 AM
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Wheel Chair pushers don't get travel benefits, they are contracted. Don't your displaced pilots get moving benefits and a free full paid move? My only point was is that no one is forced to do anything. You can move, commute, change jobs, ect. To think that commuting pilots should get higher priority on someone elses airline just because they choose to commute doesn't have much merit. When I retire from Delta I think I will have earned the privledge to travel as a higher priority than people who never worked for Delta. It's not your company.
the wheel chair pushers in mem sure do, delta purchased them a few years back.
08-20-2011, 10:35 AM
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