Calling all Captains to support 1500 hours
06-28-2011, 09:49 PM
#31
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If you have to say that then you really don't understand the progression of skills, and the "Darwin curve", what puppy mill did you come from?
06-28-2011, 10:00 PM
#32
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There is no way that in 500-1000 hours of CFI'ing versus flying 1900s, even at Gulfstream, is going to build more skills that apply to the airlines.
If he had done 500 hours of instructing them 500 of the 1900 gig, sure, he would no doubt have received some good experience. But to suggest that between one or another that pure CFI'ing is the better preparation for airline flying is ridiculous.
06-28-2011, 10:14 PM
#33
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So if what I'm hearing is that hours do not matter, then why don't we just abandon all of the ATP hour requirements for the PIC as well?
And we wonder why, as a collective group, we cannot seem to find equal footing with other professions that we often try to equate to (doctors for example). Instead we just keep lowering (or in this case refusing to raise) our professional standards.
Maybe the public is right, anybody can fly an airliner, it flies itself and we are just a bunch of (still) overpaid pre-madanas with egos to boot.
You can't ask for a raise and lower your job requirements!
KC
And we wonder why, as a collective group, we cannot seem to find equal footing with other professions that we often try to equate to (doctors for example). Instead we just keep lowering (or in this case refusing to raise) our professional standards.
Maybe the public is right, anybody can fly an airliner, it flies itself and we are just a bunch of (still) overpaid pre-madanas with egos to boot.
You can't ask for a raise and lower your job requirements!
KC
06-28-2011, 11:16 PM
#34
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So if what I'm hearing is that hours do not matter, then why don't we just abandon all of the ATP hour requirements for the PIC as well?
And we wonder why, as a collective group, we cannot seem to find equal footing with other professions that we often try to equate to (doctors for example). Instead we just keep lowering (or in this case refusing to raise) our professional standards.
Maybe the public is right, anybody can fly an airliner, it flies itself and we are just a bunch of (still) overpaid pre-madanas with egos to boot.
You can't ask for a raise and lower your job requirements!
KC
And we wonder why, as a collective group, we cannot seem to find equal footing with other professions that we often try to equate to (doctors for example). Instead we just keep lowering (or in this case refusing to raise) our professional standards.
Maybe the public is right, anybody can fly an airliner, it flies itself and we are just a bunch of (still) overpaid pre-madanas with egos to boot.
You can't ask for a raise and lower your job requirements!
KC
06-29-2011, 12:41 AM
#35
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And we wonder why, as a collective group, we cannot seem to find equal footing with other professions that we often try to equate to (doctors for example). Instead we just keep lowering (or in this case refusing to raise) our professional standards.
Maybe the public is right, anybody can fly an airliner, it flies itself and we are just a bunch of (still) overpaid pre-madanas with egos to boot.
You can't ask for a raise and lower your job requirements!
KC
Maybe the public is right, anybody can fly an airliner, it flies itself and we are just a bunch of (still) overpaid pre-madanas with egos to boot.
You can't ask for a raise and lower your job requirements!
KC
06-29-2011, 12:45 AM
#36
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none of this quibiling matters. Congress passed a law requiring all -121 pilots to have an ATP as of 1 Aug 2013.
What matters is how the airlines, and especially the regionals will respond to this challenge to find enough pilots to fill the seats required.
I hope that it will drive the Regionals costs up high enough, so a majority of the flying is passed on to the majors, and most of the regional flying goes away.
cliff
SYD
What matters is how the airlines, and especially the regionals will respond to this challenge to find enough pilots to fill the seats required.
I hope that it will drive the Regionals costs up high enough, so a majority of the flying is passed on to the majors, and most of the regional flying goes away.
cliff
SYD
06-29-2011, 12:56 AM
#37
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Listen up guys this is what the law is, its not a 1500 hour rule so quit calling it that. You dingbats that think since you are at 1500 hours your safe. Get ready for that ATP ride.....time will tell who pays for it (likely you) as the airline doesnt really care, their interest in handing out ATP's is when people upgrade.
06-29-2011, 01:15 AM
#38
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none of this quibiling matters. Congress passed a law requiring all -121 pilots to have an ATP as of 1 Aug 2013.
What matters is how the airlines, and especially the regionals will respond to this challenge to find enough pilots to fill the seats required.
I hope that it will drive the Regionals costs up high enough, so a majority of the flying is passed on to the majors, and most of the regional flying goes away.
cliff
SYD
What matters is how the airlines, and especially the regionals will respond to this challenge to find enough pilots to fill the seats required.
I hope that it will drive the Regionals costs up high enough, so a majority of the flying is passed on to the majors, and most of the regional flying goes away.
cliff
SYD
06-29-2011, 03:41 AM
#39
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After reading all this I'm still in favor of the 1,500 hour requirement. My job is to be a mentor but not to teach. I am not a check airman and do not want to be. The low time pilots I have flown with require instruction long after ioe. Yea, they fly the airplane to standard but they are still learning basic airmanship. As both a pilot and passenger, I'm firmly convinced line flying is for professionals not students. I have no problem sharing my experience with a fellow professional but instructing dissracts from our job and does not belong in our nations airlines. I agree that 1500 hours does not guarantee basic airmanship but from experience with an airline that burns through first time fo's, its a place to start.
06-29-2011, 04:30 AM
#40
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After reading all this I'm still in favor of the 1,500 hour requirement. My job is to be a mentor but not to teach. I am not a check airman and do not want to be. The low time pilots I have flown with require instruction long after ioe. Yea, they fly the airplane to standard but they are still learning basic airmanship. As both a pilot and passenger, I'm firmly convinced line flying is for professionals not students. I have no problem sharing my experience with a fellow professional but instructing dissracts from our job and does not belong in our nations airlines. I agree that 1500 hours does not guarantee basic airmanship but from experience with an airline that burns through first time fo's, its a place to start.
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