Calling all Captains to support 1500 hours
06-30-2011, 03:42 PM
#111
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Position: G550 Captain
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I have about 240 hours and am taking my commercial SEL checkride tomorrow, you mean to tell me that I am not the most experienced pilot in the world?
How dare you.
I know the experience I have gained in the last 100 hours compared to the first 100 is a giant difference. I think that another 1250 hours flying anything, anywhere is going to give me a vastly larger amount of experience than I have now.
Do I want to jump in the right seat of an RJ tomorrow? Sure, who wouldn't
Am I anywhere near ready for that kind of experience? Not even close.
How dare you.
I know the experience I have gained in the last 100 hours compared to the first 100 is a giant difference. I think that another 1250 hours flying anything, anywhere is going to give me a vastly larger amount of experience than I have now.
Do I want to jump in the right seat of an RJ tomorrow? Sure, who wouldn't
Am I anywhere near ready for that kind of experience? Not even close.
I seriously doubt the 1500 rule will come out intact with all the lobbysts at the capitol hill trying to water it down. So you have nothing to worry about. Regionals will still hire pilots with less than 400 hours. They already are.
06-30-2011, 04:02 PM
#112
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Knowing that makes you ahead of the game. At least you are aware of how little you know at this stage of the game. It looks like the regional will be the training ground for most of you getting on with low time anyway.
I seriously doubt the 1500 rule will come out intact with all the lobbysts at the capitol hill trying to water it down. So you have nothing to worry about. Regionals will still hire pilots with less than 400 hours. They already are.
I seriously doubt the 1500 rule will come out intact with all the lobbysts at the capitol hill trying to water it down. So you have nothing to worry about. Regionals will still hire pilots with less than 400 hours. They already are.
My outlook is a little different than some maybe because I'm not in my twenties.
06-30-2011, 05:08 PM
#113
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You'd be surprised how many hours most of us had before we fly 121 jet aircraft.
Recently, now and back in 2006-2008, they were hiring low timers... Prior to that you'd have to go back to the 60's to find similar hiring.
Most all of us came to 121 with a 2-4 thousand hours and our ATP's.... And that was for the first job flying a 1900.
Now we have to listen to whiners cry about how hard it is to get 800-100....before they can go straight into a jet.
Give us a friggin break will ya.
Recently, now and back in 2006-2008, they were hiring low timers... Prior to that you'd have to go back to the 60's to find similar hiring.
Most all of us came to 121 with a 2-4 thousand hours and our ATP's.... And that was for the first job flying a 1900.
Now we have to listen to whiners cry about how hard it is to get 800-100....before they can go straight into a jet.
Give us a friggin break will ya.
06-30-2011, 05:16 PM
#114
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There were thousands of sub-1000hr pilots hired by numerous regional airlines in the late 90s right up to September 10th, 2001.
06-30-2011, 06:20 PM
#115
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Position: Retired
Posts: 651
I have about 240 hours and am taking my commercial SEL checkride tomorrow, you mean to tell me that I am not the most experienced pilot in the world?
How dare you.
I know the experience I have gained in the last 100 hours compared to the first 100 is a giant difference. I think that another 1250 hours flying anything, anywhere is going to give me a vastly larger amount of experience than I have now.
Do I want to jump in the right seat of an RJ tomorrow? Sure, who wouldn't
Am I anywhere near ready for that kind of experience? Not even close.
How dare you.
I know the experience I have gained in the last 100 hours compared to the first 100 is a giant difference. I think that another 1250 hours flying anything, anywhere is going to give me a vastly larger amount of experience than I have now.
Do I want to jump in the right seat of an RJ tomorrow? Sure, who wouldn't
Am I anywhere near ready for that kind of experience? Not even close.
Airmanship is universal. Sharpen your skills and hone them. They transfer well. Like the tail dragger pilot taking a 747 into PIK. Dig deep, and be quick to learn from others. That is what this job is about.
06-30-2011, 06:26 PM
#116
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Position: blueJet
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Make a better offer and the pilots will beat a path to your airline...
06-30-2011, 09:22 PM
#117
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I have a question about the possible increase in wages as a result of fewer qualified pilots. Let us say that regional X can’t get enough applicants, so it proposes to raise first year salary from $18,000 to $26,000. How would that affect the rest of the pay scale? I am sure many will get upset if a new hire is making nearly as much as a second or third year pilot. Instead, the airline would have to spread that wage increase around the entire pilot group which would end up being only a minor pay increase for all. Flattening the pay scale would be best, but I don't see how an airline can adjust pay in the future as easily as they adjust minimums now without unions and current pilots slowing the process down.
06-30-2011, 11:47 PM
#118
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Absolutely. I will take a bet from anybody on this. There will be very few who can't slide through with one exemption or another. My post from another thread:
I expect any number of the following to continue bid-nes as usual:
1. College training exemptions, lead by ERAU, UND, et al.
2. Military trained exemptions
3. Airline sponsored training exemptions
4. Ab initio program exemptions
5. Multi-Pilot License exemptions
6. "Emergency" exemptions when airlines scream they have to cancel flights since they can't find any more kids who are qualified and want to work for $20k.
07-01-2011, 08:33 AM
#119
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I do not know the official story, but word on the street is that ALPA essentially said "no signing bonus unless current pilots get something too" so 2stage is right on the money.
I imagine all rates would have to get a bump for newhire pay to become attractive enough to lure pilots from other, stale regionals.
Last edited by Boomer; 07-01-2011 at 08:35 AM. Reason: inserted "qualified"
07-01-2011, 09:26 AM
#120
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Position: RJ Captain
Posts: 1,181
Maybe after 99', but not before - unlesss you wrote out a check for $8-12K. I worked at a large flight school in CA 98-2000'. The only ones that got hired below 1000tt, and there were only two out of 40 or so instructors, bought their jobs at COEX and ASA. One guy was at 900/300 and the other just at 1000/200. Out of the 40 or so instructors that were there, most didn't get hired until they had at least 1200tt, and we all had several hundred multi at that time.
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