9e/xj/9l sli
06-07-2011, 06:55 AM
#41
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Everyone wants the list done. If the list gets done prior to the 10th the vacancy will be cancelled in favor of a system bid vacancy. You can't get bumped out of your current seat/base so regardless of the outcome it opens up the ability for folks to get where they WANT to be. Of course we will have to wait to see any conditions and restrictions in the list, but to say 9E wants it delayed is as far as you can get from the truth.
06-07-2011, 06:58 AM
#42
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06-07-2011, 06:59 AM
#43
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Mesaba's merger cmte wants us to use checkride dates instead of day 1 of class. This issue was dealt with in the JCBA under Transition LOA 2.V. Some think that ALPA Merger policy says when we go into the payroll/HR system (which was day 1 of class), and Labor Law holds that firm with the I-9 form. Day 1 of CLASS fulfills all requirements, is legal, and was even done contractually to avoid any issues. To show how this was so easily adopted- the company had already changed our dates without having to ask. Everyone has complied, but the XJ merger guys aren't liking the situation.
They are fighting for their pilots, but it's now the second round of the same battle. In the end they want to have all 9E pilots on an uneven footing for purposes of seniority integration. That helps their guys, but causes quite the riff when we are all supposed to be working through this challenge together.
There is the "grenade down the aisle" for the day.
They are fighting for their pilots, but it's now the second round of the same battle. In the end they want to have all 9E pilots on an uneven footing for purposes of seniority integration. That helps their guys, but causes quite the riff when we are all supposed to be working through this challenge together.
There is the "grenade down the aisle" for the day.
"At approximately 11:30 PM on Saturday, June 2, the Mesaba Merger Committee received the Pinnacle Seniority List from the Pinnacle Merger Committee. We have found many anomalies with the recent Pinnacle Seniority List. We will notify you as soon as we have any additional information."
So far I have received no hard information from my union about what the problem is. It's hard to believe that they are contesting 9E having DOH for DOH since it's the only thing that makes sense, its the only thing that's fair, its what we agreed to, and its what we and 9L already have. That message we just got doesn't explain anything. One of the worst ways to handle a situation like this is to let out little vague blurbs every now and then and leave everyone arguing many different points, some of which might have no basis in reality.
06-07-2011, 07:08 AM
#44
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Our (XJ) MEC just sent us an email that said
"At approximately 11:30 PM on Saturday, June 2, the Mesaba Merger Committee received the Pinnacle Seniority List from the Pinnacle Merger Committee. We have found many anomalies with the recent Pinnacle Seniority List. We will notify you as soon as we have any additional information."
So far I have received no hard information from my union about what the problem is. It's hard to believe that they are contesting 9E having DOH for DOH since it's the only thing that makes sense, its the only thing that's fair, its what we agreed to, and its what we and 9L already have. That message we just got doesn't explain anything. One of the worst ways to handle a situation like this is to let out little vague blurbs every now and then and leave everyone arguing many different points, some of which might have no basis in reality.
"At approximately 11:30 PM on Saturday, June 2, the Mesaba Merger Committee received the Pinnacle Seniority List from the Pinnacle Merger Committee. We have found many anomalies with the recent Pinnacle Seniority List. We will notify you as soon as we have any additional information."
So far I have received no hard information from my union about what the problem is. It's hard to believe that they are contesting 9E having DOH for DOH since it's the only thing that makes sense, its the only thing that's fair, its what we agreed to, and its what we and 9L already have. That message we just got doesn't explain anything. One of the worst ways to handle a situation like this is to let out little vague blurbs every now and then and leave everyone arguing many different points, some of which might have no basis in reality.
06-07-2011, 07:09 AM
#45
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Our (XJ) MEC just sent us an email that said
"At approximately 11:30 PM on Saturday, June 2, the Mesaba Merger Committee received the Pinnacle Seniority List from the Pinnacle Merger Committee. We have found many anomalies with the recent Pinnacle Seniority List. We will notify you as soon as we have any additional information."
So far I have received no hard information from my union about what the problem is. It's hard to believe that they are contesting 9E having DOH for DOH since it's the only thing that makes sense, its the only thing that's fair, its what we agreed to, and its what we and 9L already have. That message we just got doesn't explain anything. One of the worst ways to handle a situation like this is to let out little vague blurbs every now and then and leave everyone arguing many different points, some of which might have no basis in reality.
"At approximately 11:30 PM on Saturday, June 2, the Mesaba Merger Committee received the Pinnacle Seniority List from the Pinnacle Merger Committee. We have found many anomalies with the recent Pinnacle Seniority List. We will notify you as soon as we have any additional information."
So far I have received no hard information from my union about what the problem is. It's hard to believe that they are contesting 9E having DOH for DOH since it's the only thing that makes sense, its the only thing that's fair, its what we agreed to, and its what we and 9L already have. That message we just got doesn't explain anything. One of the worst ways to handle a situation like this is to let out little vague blurbs every now and then and leave everyone arguing many different points, some of which might have no basis in reality.
I laugh at this because the mesaba mec is, like others have said, shooting their junior pilots in the foot. Now all the mesaba furloughs that have been at pinnacle for about 8 months now are going to get displaced out of the places they want to be and be sent to LGA to work the saab that is going away for usair. What a joke the mesaba mec has turned out to be. All I heard from everyone is the mesaba mec is this and that and they look after their pilots. Well now that 50+ of their pilots are about to be sent out of dtw, mem, and msp to LGA it would seem they only look after the super senior.
Im not to fond of our mec but the mesaba mec that was touted as the big dogs have turned out to be a joke.
YEAH guys keep delaying the list so you can keep screwing over your own pilots!!! thats the alpa way!
06-07-2011, 07:14 AM
#46
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The MOU guys were given the option to simply send an email (to mesaba) to stay at 9E with all their longevity/seniority (no penalty).
06-07-2011, 07:19 AM
#47
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what irks me is that I personally asked a XJ union guy who was on my jumpseat about the LOA/seniority integration. He told me they way he understood it was that 9e was getting to use initial class date as seniority date/DOH for SLI purposes after I told him any different would have been most likely a no vote for me.
I mean seriously XJ union, why do you think us 9e pilots complained so much initially that we were getting only the new date as a perk for integration, and not all the other longevity bennies that are associated with it that COlgan and Mesaba got. 1200 of us sure knew how to read that section...
I mean seriously XJ union, why do you think us 9e pilots complained so much initially that we were getting only the new date as a perk for integration, and not all the other longevity bennies that are associated with it that COlgan and Mesaba got. 1200 of us sure knew how to read that section...
06-07-2011, 07:23 AM
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9e/xj/9l sli
sounds like you have a tendency to shoot out your mouth airsupport, maybe let all the facts come out before you ramble on aimlessly!! from prior events, i would say the xj mec has alot more credibility than you know who.
06-07-2011, 07:25 AM
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what irks me is that I personally asked a XJ union guy who was on my jumpseat about the LOA/seniority integration. He told me they way he understood it was that 9e was getting to use initial class date as seniority date/DOH after I told him any different would have been most likely a no vote for me.
06-07-2011, 07:28 AM
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what irks me is that I personally asked a XJ union guy who was on my jumpseat about the LOA/seniority integration. He told me they way he understood it was that 9e was getting to use initial class date as seniority date/DOH for SLI purposes after I told him any different would have been most likely a no vote for me.
I mean seriously XJ union, why do you think us 9e pilots complained so much initially that we were getting only the new date as a perk for integration, and not all the other longevity bennies that are associated with it that COlgan and Mesaba got. 1200 of us sure knew how to read that section...
I mean seriously XJ union, why do you think us 9e pilots complained so much initially that we were getting only the new date as a perk for integration, and not all the other longevity bennies that are associated with it that COlgan and Mesaba got. 1200 of us sure knew how to read that section...
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