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06-07-2011, 06:34 AM
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Bear with me fellas, I've been disconnected for a few weeks from these issues, and I'm not too well versed in loa/lawyer type lingo... Is the main argument here the fact that 9E had pilot seniority lists based on checkride date instead of CLASS date, like Mesaba?
06-07-2011, 06:38 AM
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Maybe because we aren't getting the full story. The email I got said there were anomalies, it didn't say anything about a disagreement over hire date. My understanding of the situation was Bloch was going to decide how to deal with this. It is not a XJ decision, so how can XJ dispute his decision? It sounds like to me the 9E list is still not correct.
06-07-2011, 06:42 AM
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They are fighting for their pilots, but it's now the second round of the same battle. In the end they want to have all 9E pilots on an uneven footing for purposes of seniority integration. That helps their guys, but causes quite the riff when we are all supposed to be working through this challenge together.
There is the "grenade down the aisle" for the day.
06-07-2011, 06:43 AM
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Maybe because we aren't getting the full story. The email I got said there were anomalies, it didn't say anything about a disagreement over hire date. My understanding of the situation was Bloch was going to decide how to deal with this. It is not a XJ decision, so how can XJ dispute his decision? It sounds like to me the 9E list is still not correct.
06-07-2011, 06:44 AM
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Meanwhile the closing date of the next 9E upgrade vacancy is...74 hours away....
Looks like the XJ reps are shooting their junior pilots in the foot.
Looks like the XJ reps are shooting their junior pilots in the foot.
06-07-2011, 06:44 AM
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Bloch hasn't said a word since the lists went in other than asking our guys to send the certified 6/1 list directly to the CJC and XJ merger chairs. We are all still waiting. All that happened last night (which obviously leaked out) is the XJ merger chair sent an email challenging the DOH/Seniority date as well as try and say that lists can't change when 9E has had movement in 200+ positions (new hires, upgrades, terminated guys getting jobs back, etc).
Or did 9E just send the list they thought was appropriate?
06-07-2011, 06:48 AM
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06-07-2011, 06:49 AM
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Yes he did and our guys complied. He actually stipulated the fact that he wanted the DOH as seniority date. "Seniority date" has always been our first date of class, but our DOH was the check ride. Bloch has accepted the list and only asked that our merger cmte chair pass it on to the other two. That was complied with, now got it and is at it again.
06-07-2011, 06:51 AM
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Mesaba's merger cmte wants us to use checkride dates instead of day 1 of class. This issue was dealt with in the JCBA under Transition LOA 2.V. Some think that ALPA Merger policy says when we go into the payroll/HR system (which was day 1 of class), and Labor Law holds that firm with the I-9 form. Day 1 of CLASS fulfills all requirements, is legal, and was even done contractually to avoid any issues. To show how this was so easily adopted- the company had already changed our dates without having to ask. Everyone has complied, but the XJ merger guys aren't liking the situation.
They are fighting for their pilots, but it's now the second round of the same battle. In the end they want to have all 9E pilots on an uneven footing for purposes of seniority integration. That helps their guys, but causes quite the riff when we are all supposed to be working through this challenge together.
There is the "grenade down the aisle" for the day.
They are fighting for their pilots, but it's now the second round of the same battle. In the end they want to have all 9E pilots on an uneven footing for purposes of seniority integration. That helps their guys, but causes quite the riff when we are all supposed to be working through this challenge together.
There is the "grenade down the aisle" for the day.
06-07-2011, 06:53 AM
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Yes he did and our guys complied. He actually stipulated the fact that he wanted the DOH as seniority date. "Seniority date" has always been our first date of class, but our DOH was the check ride. Bloch has accepted the list and only asked that our merger cmte chair pass it on to the other two. That was complied with, now got it and is at it again.
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