Prop vs. Jet Time?
09-14-2006, 09:38 PM
#11
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The ideal qualifications to get hired off the street by a top major are, in this order of priority:
Turbine PIC
Knowing Someone
>100,000# GTOW (if it weighs less than that, it had better be heavily armed)
121 PIC
Turbojet
Crew
Glass
Turbine Time
The more you have, the better...but don't sacrifice something high on the list to get something lower down. Prop FO's who lateral to the jet instead of upgrading are passing up a golden opportunity. That's OK if it's a well thought out QOL issue, but if you just want to fly a jet, upgrade in the prop now, then do the jet in a few years...who knows it might be a boeing instead of an RJ...
Turbine PIC
Knowing Someone
>100,000# GTOW (if it weighs less than that, it had better be heavily armed)
121 PIC
Turbojet
Crew
Glass
Turbine Time
The more you have, the better...but don't sacrifice something high on the list to get something lower down. Prop FO's who lateral to the jet instead of upgrading are passing up a golden opportunity. That's OK if it's a well thought out QOL issue, but if you just want to fly a jet, upgrade in the prop now, then do the jet in a few years...who knows it might be a boeing instead of an RJ...
09-15-2006, 12:21 PM
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I agree, it depends
I personally think that how you conduct yourself in an interview and how you fly the sim profile is FAR more important that gee...what did you fly?
I flew 1900's and 3000 hours of hand flying sure helped ace the sim ride. My friends that went to the jet that were sitting on reserve flying 300 hours a year gave the same reason as your friends. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING is to have the minimum flight time to even apply...so get it. 1500 hours PIC is a must!!! If you don't have interviews lined up then go upgrade to something bigger and you will be more senior to hold a descent line. The 1900 is a great plane (FOR SOME PEOPLE) to get PIC experience. I know MANY that went from flying the 1900 to flying at FedEX, Southwest, Alsaska, United, and Delta.
I flew 1900's and 3000 hours of hand flying sure helped ace the sim ride. My friends that went to the jet that were sitting on reserve flying 300 hours a year gave the same reason as your friends. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING is to have the minimum flight time to even apply...so get it. 1500 hours PIC is a must!!! If you don't have interviews lined up then go upgrade to something bigger and you will be more senior to hold a descent line. The 1900 is a great plane (FOR SOME PEOPLE) to get PIC experience. I know MANY that went from flying the 1900 to flying at FedEX, Southwest, Alsaska, United, and Delta.
09-15-2006, 10:17 PM
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The cold hard truth, no matter how many RJ guys like to think they will send you packing when the jobs come to call, old 1900 pilots are flying at virtually every airline out there. In pure stick and rudder I know they can fly circles around other pilots. Why do I know this? Because I had my A$$ handed to me when I was hired as a street captain on the 1900. My reliance on RNAV and autopilot equipment became extremely clear. All that said we are probably losing 1 or 2 captains a month right now to the majors. Considering we are an airline with 140 pilots that is respectable.
Here is another thing to consider, a few connections and 1000 - 1300 turbine PIC will get you the interview, from there I firmly believe it is all you. 10,000 hours of heavy time will not land you the job if your attitude or knowledge are not up to par. That's my take on the subject.
XtremeF150
Here is another thing to consider, a few connections and 1000 - 1300 turbine PIC will get you the interview, from there I firmly believe it is all you. 10,000 hours of heavy time will not land you the job if your attitude or knowledge are not up to par. That's my take on the subject.
XtremeF150
09-17-2006, 08:39 PM
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Turbine PIC, revisited.
I've said it in another post but here it is again: Get the TURBINE PIC ASAP. Absolutely no question here.
Example: I got hired by Southwest with 1,300 hours of turboprop PIC. At the time I had a friend who badly wanted to work for Southwest. He was 27 years old, had 4,000 hours, a four year degree and was a type rated 757/767 international F/O for TWA. He couldn't even apply to Southwest because he had 0.0 hours turbine PIC time. My lousy 1,300 hours as Jetstream Captain allowed me to apply and, thankfully, get hired.
GET THE TURBINE PIC ASAP.
Respectfully,
S.B.
Example: I got hired by Southwest with 1,300 hours of turboprop PIC. At the time I had a friend who badly wanted to work for Southwest. He was 27 years old, had 4,000 hours, a four year degree and was a type rated 757/767 international F/O for TWA. He couldn't even apply to Southwest because he had 0.0 hours turbine PIC time. My lousy 1,300 hours as Jetstream Captain allowed me to apply and, thankfully, get hired.
GET THE TURBINE PIC ASAP.
Respectfully,
S.B.
Last edited by Sr. Barco; 09-17-2006 at 08:42 PM.
09-17-2006, 11:11 PM
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That's total BS. Upgrade asap and get that PIC time. In fact try to be a check CA or something.n I have never heard of anybody get rejected because they had only prop time. It's a myth.
Last edited by BURflyer; 09-17-2006 at 11:13 PM.
09-18-2006, 08:44 PM
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09-18-2006, 11:46 PM
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Are you happy? It's more important than you think.
If you are miserable than it's time to move on no matter what. It is the friends you make in this business that will help you. The guys that are miserable get left behind, and don't get invited to the party. So if you like what you are doing stay upgrade and safely rack up 1500-2000 PIC.
Then maybe you get lucky and maybe you have to wait. But rather than waiting in an RJ, try getting on a widebody trashhauler. You will see the world, and be pushed a lot harder in your own learning curve. You will also fly with guys that have years worth of experience to teach you, and you will make more than you will siting in an RJ. And you might just have a little bit more fun on your layovers overseas than you will in the states.
Just make sure you fly safe, you're having a good time and making some friends along the way because until you land your dream job, the pay in this industry sucks, so you better be happy.
Then maybe you get lucky and maybe you have to wait. But rather than waiting in an RJ, try getting on a widebody trashhauler. You will see the world, and be pushed a lot harder in your own learning curve. You will also fly with guys that have years worth of experience to teach you, and you will make more than you will siting in an RJ. And you might just have a little bit more fun on your layovers overseas than you will in the states.
Just make sure you fly safe, you're having a good time and making some friends along the way because until you land your dream job, the pay in this industry sucks, so you better be happy.
09-19-2006, 03:16 PM
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I'd go for the turbine PIC. Get at least 1000 hours of that while you can. TPIC is TPIC.
However, glass cockpit experience is good to have also. Fortunately, it is easier to get than TPIC. If you have trouble getting hired while flying as a Beech Skipper (pun intended), you can easily move to a jet regional for some glass time.
However, glass cockpit experience is good to have also. Fortunately, it is easier to get than TPIC. If you have trouble getting hired while flying as a Beech Skipper (pun intended), you can easily move to a jet regional for some glass time.
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