usmc-sgt

What the FAA feels is right is not always how the world works. If you start logging PIC time when you are a first officer and present that in any shape or form in a resume or interview there will be many questions thrown your way. This is probably number 2 (behind recent DUI) in top ten ways to be shown the door instantly at an interview or not given the interview in the first place.

Phuz

That may be true. But China isn't for everyone - and you can't get a job at UPS/FDX/SWA/DAL/UAL/AMR/LCC with "SIC as PIC" time.

Coto Pilot

Even if you have a full type rating in the plane that you are flying, if you are not the Captain and the one that signed for the airplane you NEVER log pilot in command time. IF the Captain is not able to continue his duties as PIC (such as he dies) then you are the only one left and have assumed command and can log that time as PIC but id recommend putting a note in the comments.

As a first officer you log total time and SIC time for the entire duration of the flight regardless of who was on the controls.

What are you basing this on? I have copied the FAR which is very clear. I have been hired by seven airlines over the years, 5 of them majors and this has never been brought up. The FAA is the governing authority, not a possible future employer. When you complete an application, they will have you place your time where they want it which is fine, but this is how it should be logged. Please site your reference.

5ontheglide

you guys are funny.


1 hour PIC turbine + a cool story does not usually = minimum 1000 hours PIC turbine.

semantics.

usmc-sgt

I give up. You are correct. Log time as a first officer however you would like. Although the FAA is the governing authority they are useless when it comes to how your logbook stacks up for a job. A future employer is exactly who matters when it comes to whats in your logbook.

When you apply to Southwest just make sure you subtract this time to meet their definition of what PIC turbine really is She we argue about when one should log actual next?

lolwut

Speaking of which, if you're driving around an airport and the RVR is so low, you turn to your fellow pilot and say "I CANT SEE ANYTHING! Tell tower we're stopping the plane!"

Can you log that time as actual, even though you're on the ground?

blastoff

The FAA is the government authority which also means they grant ATP's...something required now at most of the majors hiring. Do you expect someone to not LOG PIC just to keep his book in line with SWA's requirements and wait another 6 years to upgrade before he can get an ATP and maybe go to JetBlue?

Do not confuse resume/application time with logbook time the two can be different and the companies accepting resumes do not expect them to match...unless you're claiming MORE time than is in your logbook.

JustAMushroom

This is funny.. I don't care who you are!!

JustAMushroom

You are incorrect, sir. This may be true in a king air/part 91 world, but in the 121 world, the one who signs is the PIC, no question about it. Every pilot at Southwest has a 737 PIC type, including FO's. The FO never signs or logs PIC, because the "C" in PIC is never met.

dojetdriver

Good point. But having 1000 TPIC can get you an interview where you would get to tell the cool story of 1 hour TPIC and NOT being PIC typed. In which case, they wouldn't care about that bizarre 1 hour anyway.