Pinnacle Fast Track
04-13-2011, 08:53 AM
#282
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: B73N A
Posts: 344
I'm in the no experience looking for experience category! 
care to give me some? (joke). So what makes wmu such a great school that they can bypass the interview? That's the only thing that really throws up a red flag to me. And this is coming from a newbie that only has 320 TT myself. Hiring people without a judgment of character and personality is not right. You really don't know who your getting.
care to give me some? (joke). So what makes wmu such a great school that they can bypass the interview? That's the only thing that really throws up a red flag to me. And this is coming from a newbie that only has 320 TT myself. Hiring people without a judgment of character and personality is not right. You really don't know who your getting.
04-13-2011, 09:20 AM
#283
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,498
I'm in the no experience looking for experience category! care to give me some? (joke). So what makes wmu such a great school that they can bypass the interview? That's the only thing that really throws up a red flag to me. And this is coming from a newbie that only has 320 TT myself. Hiring people without a judgment of character and personality is not right. You really don't know who your getting.
care to give me some? (joke). So what makes wmu such a great school that they can bypass the interview? That's the only thing that really throws up a red flag to me. And this is coming from a newbie that only has 320 TT myself. Hiring people without a judgment of character and personality is not right. You really don't know who your getting.
04-14-2011, 07:52 AM
#284
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 46
We're flying jets, not model airplanes.
If they can't be precise, then TOO BAD.
04-14-2011, 08:47 AM
#285
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: 73N
Posts: 862
You know whats even more sad is the fact that almost all of the regionals are represented by the same union. What has that union done for you furloughed guys, nothing. Goes back to my point that you have been kicked to the street and forgotten. Everybody is worried about these 250 wonders coming in while there are probably thousands of experienced guys bagging groceries somewhere. Once again, thank you ALPA. Our dues should be used for more than meetings in Vegas. Yeap, I'm calling you out 9E MEC, whats that all about? LEC officer elections meeting in Vegas, on our dime? We need to have a say where our dues go. I say a majority of it should go to placing guys on the street in cockpits where they belong. We shouldn't even be having this 250 wonder convo, get guys off the streets!! Thanks for our contract ALPA, but your job isn't finished. Higney, I'm not meaning to attack you guys, if I am I'm sorry, but meeting in Vegas? Can we not get guys off the street into our cockpit, use our dues for something that helps all the pilots? I'll volunteer for a program like that. I'd be more than happy to get the ball rolling at our MEC to get furloughed guys preferential, no interview jobs. If thats reasonable than, Higney, PM me. Any furloughed guys who want to take the chance on 9E, PM me. For whatever its worth, I'll walk your resumes in to our managers. Just flew a trip and jumpseated on Comair, 7 year FO about to be on the street... sick.
2. A few things your dues pay for: contract negotiations, contract administration (enforcement), grivence process, implementation, retainers for excellent Aviation Lawyers, an excellent staff of aeromedical experts and doctors to keep you on the line if something happens to you... etc the list goes on.
I don't think that anyone should be getting hired with no interview. This is a job, not a hobby. There has to be some type of screening process. Just because someone when to flight school A, or was furloughed from airline B doesn't mean they automatically deserve a job here. This is an issue to take up with the company. The company is trying to get warm bodies in seats that are going to be comitted to staying at Pinnacle long term (because they do not have enough expierence to go anywhere else). They have to hire hundreds of pilots now and will have to backfill for attrition in the future. The company knows that eventually the feds will put in a higher hour requirement and applicants will dry up fast, I'm guessing the furloughs will get many more offers at that time. Is it right? Hell no, it's reality.
When it comes to having MEC meetings many times they search for the cheapest place to reserve multiple rooms + meeting areas. Vegas is actually a very cheap place to hold a conference because of all the different hotels competing for business.
These guys get no monetary return for giving up nearly all of thier days off (in busy times 3-4 days off a month) to represent us. I have no problem buying them a steak every now and then.
04-14-2011, 09:12 AM
#286
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 691
1. What power does the union have to tell the company how many hours the new hires will have?
2. A few things your dues pay for: contract negotiations, contract administration (enforcement), grivence process, implementation, retainers for excellent Aviation Lawyers, an excellent staff of aeromedical experts and doctors to keep you on the line if something happens to you... etc the list goes on.
I don't think that anyone should be getting hired with no interview. This is a job, not a hobby. There has to be some type of screening process. Just because someone when to flight school A, or was furloughed from airline B doesn't mean they automatically deserve a job here. This is an issue to take up with the company. The company is trying to get warm bodies in seats that are going to be comitted to staying at Pinnacle long term (because they do not have enough expierence to go anywhere else). They have to hire hundreds of pilots now and will have to backfill for attrition in the future. The company knows that eventually the feds will put in a higher hour requirement and applicants will dry up fast, I'm guessing the furloughs will get many more offers at that time. Is it right? Hell no, it's reality.
When it comes to having MEC meetings many times they search for the cheapest place to reserve multiple rooms + meeting areas. Vegas is actually a very cheap place to hold a conference because of all the different hotels competing for business.
These guys get no monetary return for giving up nearly all of thier days off (in busy times 3-4 days off a month) to represent us. I have no problem buying them a steak every now and then.
2. A few things your dues pay for: contract negotiations, contract administration (enforcement), grivence process, implementation, retainers for excellent Aviation Lawyers, an excellent staff of aeromedical experts and doctors to keep you on the line if something happens to you... etc the list goes on.
I don't think that anyone should be getting hired with no interview. This is a job, not a hobby. There has to be some type of screening process. Just because someone when to flight school A, or was furloughed from airline B doesn't mean they automatically deserve a job here. This is an issue to take up with the company. The company is trying to get warm bodies in seats that are going to be comitted to staying at Pinnacle long term (because they do not have enough expierence to go anywhere else). They have to hire hundreds of pilots now and will have to backfill for attrition in the future. The company knows that eventually the feds will put in a higher hour requirement and applicants will dry up fast, I'm guessing the furloughs will get many more offers at that time. Is it right? Hell no, it's reality.
When it comes to having MEC meetings many times they search for the cheapest place to reserve multiple rooms + meeting areas. Vegas is actually a very cheap place to hold a conference because of all the different hotels competing for business.
These guys get no monetary return for giving up nearly all of thier days off (in busy times 3-4 days off a month) to represent us. I have no problem buying them a steak every now and then.
04-14-2011, 09:14 AM
#287
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: 747 FO
Posts: 937
Having been a check airman who was involved with training many 250 to 500 hour guys I can tell you that most made it (more times than not they required additional sim and line training) and some washed out, but like it or not two decades from now the industry will be populated mostly by the generation that went from cero to RJ's, "earned my stripes" will be replaced with "purchased my stripes" a generation that has very little respect for seniority and experience with a huge sense of entitlement, the generation that roll their eyes when you tell them to put away the Ipad at cruise, the generation that ask "how junior the last captain bid went" while you are recommending more OE after they already have had over 50 hours (yeah, that happened a few times) that is where this career is headed.
No, I don't even own an Apple product.
04-14-2011, 10:53 AM
#288
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: 73N
Posts: 862
I wasn't talking about the package for national officers. But since you brought it up... I don't know what Prater was paid, or what Moak gets in salary, but I don't think a nice round $500,000 is an accurate number. Most of the pilots who run for President are widebody captains making ~ $250,000 per year. Being the president of a union the size of ALPA is a much harder job than doing 6 oceanic crossings a month. If you want to attract talent, you need to have compensation. Would you have us undercut our own leaders who are fighting to keep management from undercutting us? If you think that Prater got to sit on his ass all day and collect paychecks you are mistaken. I wouldn't be a national officer if it paid $1,000,000 per year, its way more work than I would ever want. Those guys are married to ALPA and have virtually no time off.
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