Pinnacle Fast Track
04-07-2011, 10:38 AM
#241
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Has anyone that is whinning about this graduated from Western Michigan University? Doesn't sound like it to me. I really don't think Pinnacle would have agreed to this if they didn't like WMU's program. Each person who has commented on this thread had 250 hrs at some point. Everybody also flew through a storm or hail for the first time at some point or another. I find it very disturbing that so many of you are unwilling to help someone new to the industry. I graduated from Western, and one advantage I have over a lot of you, is that I was taught that flying an airplane involves tons of team work. Who knows, you give us a chance and we might be able to educate/help each other. It's also good to ask questions. Many of you act like you never had to ask a question and were born with the ability to fly a jet. We are all on the same team here people!
The fact that you don't even know how ridiculous your comments are is prima facie evidence that you do not belong in an airline cockpit!
I do not work for Pinnacle but I was a captain at its previous incarnation who delivered some of those airframes a decade ago. As someone who actually did train a number of the senior pilots there let me say:
An airline cockpit is not the place for you to get your education/let me help you. A CRM class your junior year and some time in a procedures trainer coupled with your SR-20 time do not make you the Ace of the Base that you think you are.
Pinnacle did not purchase the aft CG mod. The aircraft can not accommodate the captain's ego and your sense of entitlement in such a small flight deck.
04-07-2011, 10:39 AM
#242
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: FIRE ALPA
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[QUOTE=BlueMoon;976944]WMU used to train pilots for BA and EK. It got put down when the economy tanked and since we don't have the nicest weather, it snows 4 to 5 months out of the year, makes sense to do it someplace south.
WMU required you to have a CFI and get your CFII within a semester to instruct there. It took a couple years at the time to be an MEI instructor there.[/QUOTE]
More like less than a year if you kissed enough arse, 4 years wasn't enough time if you didn't kiss enough.
WMU required you to have a CFI and get your CFII within a semester to instruct there. It took a couple years at the time to be an MEI instructor there.[/QUOTE]
More like less than a year if you kissed enough arse, 4 years wasn't enough time if you didn't kiss enough.
04-07-2011, 10:41 AM
#243
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04-07-2011, 11:16 AM
#244
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Pinnacle hiring 250 hour wonder-boy pilots is an accident waiting to happen. I will refuse to fly with them in the front, or if I'm in the back deadheading. Why on earth would management want to hire "NON-Seasoned" pilots is beyond my comprehension. This is a new low.
We need "seasoned" pilots to fly jets for the airlines. For those of you with 250 hours, "seasoned" means having experience flying in multiple seasons, multiple winters dealing with icing, multiple summers dealing with thunderstorms.
Obtaining this experience by flight instructing, flying corporate aircraft that fly much slower and require less quick thinking before being thrusted into a 550 mph glass cockpit jet and flying 5 - 6 legs a day while crossing squall lines, getting struck by lightning, fighting hailstorms, performing CPR on 90 year old passengers in the back who have fallen and can't get up while simultaneously dealing with engine fires/shutdowns, shooting cat 2 approaches down to bare minimums, struggling with PCU Runaways, and solving fuel leak problems while the aircraft is solely powered by the ADG needs "seasoned pilots" to deal with this day to day challenges. Otherwise it's just an accident waiting to happen while these young whipper-snappers build flight time at the expense of safety.
We need "seasoned" pilots to fly jets for the airlines. For those of you with 250 hours, "seasoned" means having experience flying in multiple seasons, multiple winters dealing with icing, multiple summers dealing with thunderstorms.
Obtaining this experience by flight instructing, flying corporate aircraft that fly much slower and require less quick thinking before being thrusted into a 550 mph glass cockpit jet and flying 5 - 6 legs a day while crossing squall lines, getting struck by lightning, fighting hailstorms, performing CPR on 90 year old passengers in the back who have fallen and can't get up while simultaneously dealing with engine fires/shutdowns, shooting cat 2 approaches down to bare minimums, struggling with PCU Runaways, and solving fuel leak problems while the aircraft is solely powered by the ADG needs "seasoned pilots" to deal with this day to day challenges. Otherwise it's just an accident waiting to happen while these young whipper-snappers build flight time at the expense of safety.
04-07-2011, 11:20 AM
#245
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Bus driver
Posts: 2,573
Pinnacle hiring 250 hour wonder-boy pilots is an accident waiting to happen. I will refuse to fly with them in the front or in the back while deadheading of any aircraft piloted by a 250 hour pilot. Why on earth would management want to hire NON-Seasoned pilots is beyond my comprehension.
We need seasoned pilots to fly jets for the airlines. For those of you with 250 hours, seasoned means having experience flying in multiple seasons, multiple winters dealing with icing, multiple summers dealing with thunderstorms.
Obtaining this experience by flight instructing, flying corporate aircraft that fly much slower and require less quick thinking before being thrusted into a 550 mph glass cockpit jet and flying 5 - 6 legs a day while crossing squall lines, getting struck by lightning, fighting hailstorms, performing CPR on 90 year old passengers in the back who have fallen and can't get up while simultaneously dealing with engine fires/shutdowns, shooting cat 2 approaches down to bare minimums, struggling with PCU Runaways, and solving fuel leak problems while the aircraft is solely powered by the ADG needs "seasoned pilots" to deal with this day to day challenges.
We need seasoned pilots to fly jets for the airlines. For those of you with 250 hours, seasoned means having experience flying in multiple seasons, multiple winters dealing with icing, multiple summers dealing with thunderstorms.
Obtaining this experience by flight instructing, flying corporate aircraft that fly much slower and require less quick thinking before being thrusted into a 550 mph glass cockpit jet and flying 5 - 6 legs a day while crossing squall lines, getting struck by lightning, fighting hailstorms, performing CPR on 90 year old passengers in the back who have fallen and can't get up while simultaneously dealing with engine fires/shutdowns, shooting cat 2 approaches down to bare minimums, struggling with PCU Runaways, and solving fuel leak problems while the aircraft is solely powered by the ADG needs "seasoned pilots" to deal with this day to day challenges.
04-07-2011, 11:27 AM
#246
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Ewwwwwwww......sounds like I struck a nerve with you. You from WMU?
What's unprofessional about wanting "seasoned" pilots to fly precious lives around the skies at slightly less than Mach 1? We all have a vested interest with insuring that our "profession" is piloted by "seasoned professionals." Think about it, don't you want the safest pilots flying? Or would you rather un-experienced pilots????????
What's unprofessional about wanting "seasoned" pilots to fly precious lives around the skies at slightly less than Mach 1? We all have a vested interest with insuring that our "profession" is piloted by "seasoned professionals." Think about it, don't you want the safest pilots flying? Or would you rather un-experienced pilots????????
04-07-2011, 12:00 PM
#247
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 424
Your 9E? What is the hotel for training?[/QUOTE]
I'm in new hire training with 9E right now. The 2/28 class is still in what used to be the holiday inn select. The rest of the classes are in the courtyard where they do the interviews.
Right now each class is coming to MEM for two weeks of indoc, then they go to MSP for two weeks for systems. They then come back to MEM for CPTs. After that the sims will either be in MEM or St. Louis.
I'm in new hire training with 9E right now. The 2/28 class is still in what used to be the holiday inn select. The rest of the classes are in the courtyard where they do the interviews.
Right now each class is coming to MEM for two weeks of indoc, then they go to MSP for two weeks for systems. They then come back to MEM for CPTs. After that the sims will either be in MEM or St. Louis.
04-07-2011, 04:16 PM
#250
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: Sideways in a sim
Posts: 435
And in the mean time during the few days the back-and-forth bickering between members has been going on a bunch of short-time flight instructors have gotten class dates while a furloughed CRJ pilot still hasn't gotten a phone call from an airline that's theoretically hurting for pilots... something wrong with this picture?
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