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04-04-2011, 07:29 PM
#181
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 137
I haven't read this much at all, but I will say I am a WMU grad with just over 500 hours. I have my CFI, CFII and MEI but I never used it (less than 25 hrs given). I am NOT a fan of this program at all. I never went into that whole WMU kool-aid crap either. But right now I am in training at Atlantic Southeast Airlines to be sitting right seat in a CRJ-700 in Detroit, my local area. How did I go from 220 (After CFI/CFII/MEI) to just over 500? I went out ald flew a ton of real world flying in actual, icing, flights down the east coast from Detroit to the Florida Keys, etc.
So while I have a lot less hours than others, I do have real world flying experience which these kids coming out of WMU do not with the WMU bubble. Flying down to ACTUAL minimums is what builds experience, not this 1000' minimum AGL cloud layer that WMU imposes.
So while I have a lot less hours than others, I do have real world flying experience which these kids coming out of WMU do not with the WMU bubble. Flying down to ACTUAL minimums is what builds experience, not this 1000' minimum AGL cloud layer that WMU imposes.
I bet just by reading this, your classmates can figure out who you are. There's always "that guy" in training. I feel bad for your sim partner.
The senior 700 guys aren't going to put up with this type of attitude from you and will send you home crying. For everyones sake I sincerely hope you are able to change your attitude prior to starting sims or the training department will be more than happy to send you packing. I also hope you fly with the white dragon out of IOE. You two are a match made in regional heaven.
04-04-2011, 07:33 PM
#182
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,350
Unless your career is perfect, you'll never outlive the low-time stigma. That's why people knock the Colgan FO who panicked when her CA decided to put the aircraft into an unusual attitude.
I would bet that if a 10,000 hour pilot crashed a jet the media and MMQBs would jump all over the fact that years ago, that pilot got hired with 250 to 500 hours.
I would bet that if a 10,000 hour pilot crashed a jet the media and MMQBs would jump all over the fact that years ago, that pilot got hired with 250 to 500 hours.
04-04-2011, 07:36 PM
#184
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Out.
Posts: 3,865
1 good thing about sub 500 hour FO's....they can normally outfly me on a clear VFR day from MEM to GPT with a 10 mile straight in final and set up the FMS/ACARS faster/better than Chuck Norris.
2nd good thing about sub 500 hour FO's....watching the deer in headlight look when they get a generator failure at rotation on a beautiful VFR day and you have to have eveyone on the airplane perform that scene from "Airplane!" where they all slap him and are lined up with progressively bigger weapons to snap him out of it...."Oh Captain, I'll handle this. CALM DOWN GET AHOLD OF YOURSELf!!!" SLAP!
2nd good thing about sub 500 hour FO's....watching the deer in headlight look when they get a generator failure at rotation on a beautiful VFR day and you have to have eveyone on the airplane perform that scene from "Airplane!" where they all slap him and are lined up with progressively bigger weapons to snap him out of it...."Oh Captain, I'll handle this. CALM DOWN GET AHOLD OF YOURSELf!!!" SLAP!
04-04-2011, 08:53 PM
#186
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 306
Ehhhhh, the last thing I want to do is jump into this flame fest, but I take issue with this statement. I don't think that would be the case the all. I don't see why it would be pertinent information if a 10,000 hour captain with 3,000 in type started his career with only 500 hrs of GA flying 15 years prior. Low time is a stigma, but this is one part of the argument I disagree with.
04-05-2011, 06:45 AM
#187
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: CL-65 captain
Posts: 2,244
Ehhhhh, the last thing I want to do is jump into this flame fest, but I take issue with this statement. I don't think that would be the case the all. I don't see why it would be pertinent information if a 10,000 hour captain with 3,000 in type started his career with only 500 hrs of GA flying 15 years prior. Low time is a stigma, but this is one part of the argument I disagree with.
04-05-2011, 06:47 AM
#188
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,350
Ehhhhh, the last thing I want to do is jump into this flame fest, but I take issue with this statement. I don't think that would be the case the all. I don't see why it would be pertinent information if a 10,000 hour captain with 3,000 in type started his career with only 500 hrs of GA flying 15 years prior. Low time is a stigma, but this is one part of the argument I disagree with.
I don't intend it as a flame at all. I just realize that the way some low time pilots act and the fact that "previous" low timers have been involved in some pretty spectacularly bad accidents that it would be the first thing that people jump on when something happens. Btw... Not if, when.
The way I read these arguments knocking low time guys, even the ones that don't involve ego, I interpret it as once you hit 121 flying you will (hopefully) never experience the types of experiential moments that give you the "never try that again" boundaries and the foresight to see if something is rapidly going down the tubes.
Correct me if I am wrong but that does seem to be a strong premise of the night cargo or CFI argument. Therefore, I don't think based on these that those folks would trust the 10,000 hour low timer.
Interesting wrinkle to "CFI before 121"... Wasn't the 3407 FO previously an instructor? So it could be argued that CFIing doesn't necessarily provide the reaction tools... It may well be dependent on the individual.
04-05-2011, 09:17 AM
#189
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Emb 170/175 FO
Posts: 272
And it'll be even better when that incident is caused by a disgruntled captain who's wasted off his a$$ because he's upset about the newb he has to coach for a trip... SERENITY NOW!!!!
04-05-2011, 09:29 AM
#190
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Emb 170/175 FO
Posts: 272
I know you are new to the airlines and ASA, but just a word of advice. Change your attitude! Some of the line Captains here and instructors won't put up with that. They have send home a guy a two just in the recent few new-hire classes because of their attitude. And Im hearing there are already a few in class right now with the "know it all" attitude. Nevertheless, welcome aboard.
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