Pinnacle Fast Track
04-04-2011, 03:01 PM
#161
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Tell that to Marvin Renslow who had 3300+ hours.
Tell that to the Comair Flight 191 or Pinnacle 3701.
Or the SWA flight 1455,FedEx flight 14, etc.
The list goes on, high hours doesn't make someone a better pilot. Its all about the quality of those hours and how you got there. I know someone who is flying 121 who has NEVER been in icing and flies mostly in VMC. Does that make him a better pilot because he has a lot of hours flying an autopilot with a FMC?
And oh wow, you were a flight instructor so that makes you a better pilot? What about the pilot I know who never did primary flight instruction but rather BFR's, IPC's, and commercial certificates? He isn't prepping people for solos.
Tell that to the Comair Flight 191 or Pinnacle 3701.
Or the SWA flight 1455,FedEx flight 14, etc.
The list goes on, high hours doesn't make someone a better pilot. Its all about the quality of those hours and how you got there. I know someone who is flying 121 who has NEVER been in icing and flies mostly in VMC. Does that make him a better pilot because he has a lot of hours flying an autopilot with a FMC?
And oh wow, you were a flight instructor so that makes you a better pilot? What about the pilot I know who never did primary flight instruction but rather BFR's, IPC's, and commercial certificates? He isn't prepping people for solos.
If you had a $1 million car, would you be more comfortable with the guy who's been driving for 2 months, or 10 years? Flying an airplane is about MUCH more than who can land better, or who can do the best steep turns. It's about the decisions you learn to make from EXPERIENCE.
04-04-2011, 03:03 PM
#162
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Those first few flights you mentioned were on a fast track low hour program also. The foundation they had was based on getting in and getting in quick. They wanted the fast way in and they got it. Now because of that their basic fundamental flying skills suffered and eventually played out later on in their careers which ended in tragedy.
And are you seriously comparing the SWA pilots or the the Fedex pilots to your analogy of high time pilots? They had quality and quantity. Do you serisouly believe that the pilots of the SWA flight didn't have quality and quantity? Do you really believe that the FedEX guys were low time low quality pilots? Please don't even put them in the same sentence or forum as the low hour pilots. Accidents happen. Low time or not. What bothers me is that because you have a few hundred hours in a Cessna tooling around with your buddies in the clouds that you have it all figured out. From your earlier post you aren't even through training yet and haven't even done one line flight. IF you pass training and get on the line maybe you will see what we are talking about.
And are you seriously comparing the SWA pilots or the the Fedex pilots to your analogy of high time pilots? They had quality and quantity. Do you serisouly believe that the pilots of the SWA flight didn't have quality and quantity? Do you really believe that the FedEX guys were low time low quality pilots? Please don't even put them in the same sentence or forum as the low hour pilots. Accidents happen. Low time or not. What bothers me is that because you have a few hundred hours in a Cessna tooling around with your buddies in the clouds that you have it all figured out. From your earlier post you aren't even through training yet and haven't even done one line flight. IF you pass training and get on the line maybe you will see what we are talking about.
I'm so sorry captain that I will never be as good as you are. I wish I could be as good as you captain. I never once said I had it all figured out. I never once said I'm as great of a pilot as you captain. I bet you're the type of guy to say your car has more horsepower than someone else. I bet you're the type of captain to say this is my airplane, you just sit there. I'm so sorry captain. I'll just quit now because I'm just a horrible pilot compared to you, even though you've never flown with me.
Let me go fly my C150 around for 2000 hours and then I guess I'll be a much better pilot then. I'm sure I can pull it back to 5-6 gph and just go in a circle to make me a better pilot like you captain.
Oh, and btw, I'm doing very good here. K, thanks, goodbye.
DetPilot - I agree. Thats my point. I've had a ton of experiences, failures, etc that has made me a better pilot. Thats the point I am trying to get across. You can have a ton of hours, with no experiences or less hours with the experiences.
04-04-2011, 03:08 PM
#163
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Tell that to Marvin Renslow who had 3300+ hours.
Tell that to the Comair Flight 191 or Pinnacle 3701.
Or the SWA flight 1455,FedEx flight 14, etc.
The list goes on, high hours doesn't make someone a better pilot. Its all about the quality of those hours and how you got there. I know someone who is flying 121 who has NEVER been in icing and flies mostly in VMC. Does that make him a better pilot because he has a lot of hours flying an autopilot with a FMC?
And oh wow, you were a flight instructor so that makes you a better pilot? What about the pilot I know who never did primary flight instruction but rather BFR's, IPC's, and commercial certificates? He isn't prepping people for solos.
Tell that to the Comair Flight 191 or Pinnacle 3701.
Or the SWA flight 1455,FedEx flight 14, etc.
The list goes on, high hours doesn't make someone a better pilot. Its all about the quality of those hours and how you got there. I know someone who is flying 121 who has NEVER been in icing and flies mostly in VMC. Does that make him a better pilot because he has a lot of hours flying an autopilot with a FMC?
And oh wow, you were a flight instructor so that makes you a better pilot? What about the pilot I know who never did primary flight instruction but rather BFR's, IPC's, and commercial certificates? He isn't prepping people for solos.
04-04-2011, 03:09 PM
#164
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What kinda of ADM skills can do you have with that kinda experience... Ill tell you VERY LITTLE.
Like I said if any Regional or any Airline for that matter have an Incident or Accident that dont turn out well and someone with your level of experience was a part of the crew The Media will have a Field Day and so will the Lawyers.
Like I said if any Regional or any Airline for that matter have an Incident or Accident that dont turn out well and someone with your level of experience was a part of the crew The Media will have a Field Day and so will the Lawyers.
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04-04-2011, 03:12 PM
#165
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I'm so sorry captain that I will never be as good as you are. I wish I could be as good as you captain. I never once said I had it all figured out. I never once said I'm as great of a pilot as you captain. I bet you're the type of guy to say your car has more horsepower than someone else. I bet you're the type of captain to say this is my airplane, you just sit there. I'm so sorry captain. I'll just quit now because I'm just a horrible pilot compared to you, even though you've never flown with me.
Let me go fly my C150 around for 2000 hours and then I guess I'll be a much better pilot then. I'm sure I can pull it back to 5-6 gph and just go in a circle to make me a better pilot like you captain.
Oh, and btw, I'm doing very good here. K, thanks, goodbye.
DetPilot - I agree. Thats my point. I've had a ton of experiences, failures, etc that has made me a better pilot. Thats the point I am trying to get across. You can have a ton of hours, with no experiences or less hours with the experiences.
Let me go fly my C150 around for 2000 hours and then I guess I'll be a much better pilot then. I'm sure I can pull it back to 5-6 gph and just go in a circle to make me a better pilot like you captain.
Oh, and btw, I'm doing very good here. K, thanks, goodbye.
DetPilot - I agree. Thats my point. I've had a ton of experiences, failures, etc that has made me a better pilot. Thats the point I am trying to get across. You can have a ton of hours, with no experiences or less hours with the experiences.
I mean you no ill will, but I am appalled by your attitude with 500 hours. I was there once too and it was at about that time that I had a "never do that again" moment. Ironically in a C310. It was a humbling experience that thousands of hours later still reminds me that you can never know everything and no matter how much experience you have every flight will bring a new challenge.
04-04-2011, 03:49 PM
#167
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 115
Believe me, at 500 hours you have some time. Some. But you have little actual experience...and you need to take a step back and realize that instead of arguing that you're "experienced" with airline pilots who have been in your situation and are now looking back and telling you that they've been in your situation and know you aren't as experienced as you think you are. Thinking you know everything at this point is a quick way to put one into the ground. If you think that talking up a collegiate flight program full of single and multi engine piston time is going to convince anyone here that you are qualified to fly a 50,000 pound, 450 knot regional jet, you're sorely mistaken.
04-04-2011, 03:53 PM
#168
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Position: CRJ
Posts: 2,356
I'm so sorry captain that I will never be as good as you are. I wish I could be as good as you captain. I never once said I had it all figured out. I never once said I'm as great of a pilot as you captain. I bet you're the type of guy to say your car has more horsepower than someone else. I bet you're the type of captain to say this is my airplane, you just sit there. I'm so sorry captain. I'll just quit now because I'm just a horrible pilot compared to you, even though you've never flown with me.
Let me go fly my C150 around for 2000 hours and then I guess I'll be a much better pilot then. I'm sure I can pull it back to 5-6 gph and just go in a circle to make me a better pilot like you captain.
Oh, and btw, I'm doing very good here. K, thanks, goodbye.
DetPilot - I agree. Thats my point. I've had a ton of experiences, failures, etc that has made me a better pilot. Thats the point I am trying to get across. You can have a ton of hours, with no experiences or less hours with the experiences.
Let me go fly my C150 around for 2000 hours and then I guess I'll be a much better pilot then. I'm sure I can pull it back to 5-6 gph and just go in a circle to make me a better pilot like you captain.
Oh, and btw, I'm doing very good here. K, thanks, goodbye.
DetPilot - I agree. Thats my point. I've had a ton of experiences, failures, etc that has made me a better pilot. Thats the point I am trying to get across. You can have a ton of hours, with no experiences or less hours with the experiences.
wow. You really think I said the things I said because of my ego? I drive a 99 civic. I treat my crew members with respect. I do not have a I am better than you attitude and want everyone to be the best they can. The reason I have this attitude is because I have a family that expects me to come back home. The people in the plane have put their trust in me and my flight crew to get them around the country safely. This is a job that requires training and experience. It is not a game.
04-04-2011, 03:58 PM
#169
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Posts: 139
wow. You really think I said the things I said because of my ego? I drive a 99 civic. I treat my crew members with respect. I do not have a I am better than you attitude and want everyone to be the best they can. The reason I have this attitude is because I have a family that expects me to come back home. The people in the plane have put their trust in me and my flight crew to get them around the country safely. This is a job that requires training and experience. It is not a game.
04-04-2011, 04:07 PM
#170
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Position: FO
Posts: 3,044
We've all had them. He's just overdue for one that will hopefully calm him down.
Believe me, at 500 hours you have some time. Some. But you have little actual experience...and you need to take a step back and realize that instead of arguing that you're "experienced" with airline pilots who have been in your situation and are now looking back and telling you that they've been in your situation and know you aren't as experienced as you think you are. Thinking you know everything at this point is a quick way to put one into the ground. If you think that talking up a collegiate flight program full of single and multi engine piston time is going to convince anyone here that you are qualified to fly a 50,000 pound, 450 knot regional jet, you're sorely mistaken.
Believe me, at 500 hours you have some time. Some. But you have little actual experience...and you need to take a step back and realize that instead of arguing that you're "experienced" with airline pilots who have been in your situation and are now looking back and telling you that they've been in your situation and know you aren't as experienced as you think you are. Thinking you know everything at this point is a quick way to put one into the ground. If you think that talking up a collegiate flight program full of single and multi engine piston time is going to convince anyone here that you are qualified to fly a 50,000 pound, 450 knot regional jet, you're sorely mistaken.
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