wmupilot85

What job? It was me taking out a plane and splitting costs with friends going on a ton of trips. No flight instruction jobs in Michigan to the time to use wat I've earned. Crappy economy up here.

DD214

If Pinnacle have so much as an Incident that turns out bad and one of WMU wonders is sitting in the cockpit the Media will have a Field day with that....

higney85

Are you related to chuck norris?

wmupilot85

What are you implying by that? That because I have a low time, which I admit, means I am less of a pilot and not experienced as someone who has 3 or 4 times as many hours as me?

Airsupport

By default if you are comparing your self to someone who has 3 or 4 times more hours than you then yes you are not as experienced as them.

Airsupport

just because you spent a lot of money on the flying doesn't mean its a lot of flying. I have that many hours in a seneca as an instructor.

And no its not about quality vs quantity. That sounds just like the senators and schools trying to push this crap. I promise you that flying around the pattern with private pilots getting ready to solo will teach you more about stick and rudder flying then going on cross countries with your buddies.

Airsupport

Good luck to you ken. It has been a long time since I have had to "watch" the 250 hour wonders. Most of them have quite a bit of time in the CRJ and do just fine now. But when they started it was interesting to say the least. Just wait till you have to take the controls from them when the plane is on autopilot.

detpilot

+1


The problem I have is not that people are taking up this offer. It's a great deal for any 200 hour person, whether or not it's smart on PCL's part.

However, the impression some of you guys are giving is that you're just as experienced as people who've been flying in the real world for years, and that's just NOT the case. Be humble, grateful for the opportunity, and eager to learn, and you'll find that you'll earn respect.

Then, there's the guy with (gasp!) 280 hours or C310 cross country time, acting like he's God's gift to aviation and insulting CFI's with much more practical experience than him (YES, 3000 hours of dual given is more beneficial than 280 hours of cross country time!)... And having the nerve to call the 200 hour guys who probably graduated with him "kids."


By the way, PCL didn't just sign this agreement with WMU, contrary to popular belief over there. There are a few other schools who got the same deal, without the $250/hour glass cockpit training experience.

Yes, WMU gives quality training, but that's only the foundation to build upon for a career. And, *gasp*, WMU is not the only way to get quality training!

Some of your attitudes are sickening, and you're giving the rest of us a bad name out there. To the rest of the world- Not all WMU grads have this same sense of entitlement.
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wmupilot85

Tell that to Marvin Renslow who had 3300+ hours.
Tell that to the Comair Flight 191 or Pinnacle 3701.
Or the SWA flight 1455,FedEx flight 14, etc.

The list goes on, high hours doesn't make someone a better pilot. Its all about the quality of those hours and how you got there. I know someone who is flying 121 who has NEVER been in icing and flies mostly in VMC. Does that make him a better pilot because he has a lot of hours flying an autopilot with a FMC?

And oh wow, you were a flight instructor so that makes you a better pilot? What about the pilot I know who never did primary flight instruction but rather BFR's, IPC's, and commercial certificates? He isn't prepping people for solos.

Airsupport

Those first few flights you mentioned were on a fast track low hour program also. The foundation they had was based on getting in and getting in quick. They wanted the fast way in and they got it. Now because of that their basic fundamental flying skills suffered and eventually played out later on in their careers which ended in tragedy.

And are you seriously comparing the SWA pilots or the the Fedex pilots to your analogy of high time pilots? They had quality and quantity. Do you serisouly believe that the pilots of the SWA flight didn't have quality and quantity? Do you really believe that the FedEX guys were low time low quality pilots? Please don't even put them in the same sentence or forum as the low hour pilots. Accidents happen. Low time or not. What bothers me is that because you have a few hundred hours in a Cessna tooling around with your buddies in the clouds that you have it all figured out. From your earlier post you aren't even through training yet and haven't even done one line flight. IF you pass training and get on the line maybe you will see what we are talking about.

and yes in the CRJ I am a better pilot than you. I could hop in that plane and fly circles around you. You could probably do the same to me in your 310. Quit trying to act like the correlate. Your 310 is not a crj. Basic flying skills transfer over. Those basic skills are learned and earned by time in an airplane.