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03-09-2011, 05:55 PM

#41

showmethemoney

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Eagle, no doubt, Republic sucks from the top down

FLICA still not fully automated, cant get days off you need/want, F/O rates are terrible with no upgrade in sight (Junior Capt. is Jan '07)

F9 busting balls left and right, Midwest dudes coming on the seniority list, etc.

03-10-2011, 02:42 AM

#42

seattlepilot

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Originally Posted by slumav505

That's mergers and negotiations in general. Best advice, worry about flying the planes and check in every six months or so on the finances. Living day-to-day with the airlines will shorten your life span.

FTR, I'm not on any Kool Aid, I'm just a realist who see's it for what it is. Past 3 years have sucked, but also seeing how packed every flight I'm on is generally means to me we are trying to pay off as much 1 one time acquisition costs to lower taxes and lower pilot expectations.

Very good points. I have been with Republic for 3 years and half of it on furlough. It sucked.. ask anyone that had to do that he/she will tell you how bad it is..

What other poster said is true.. Trading trips are hard, but it is not impossible.
upgrade is not at the level of 2006 - 2007 but there isn't any other regional that has faster upgrades.

This is a stupid discussion of which regional is better mentality.. guess what? regional is a regional is a regional..

So, you will have to make your decision based on what your needs are.. Good luck with whichever company you decide to go with..

03-10-2011, 03:29 AM

#43

meeko031

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Originally Posted by slumav505

you do realize we are in negiotiations Showing a loss isn't necassrily the worst thing.

just from my observations, during contract negotiations, it seems like "showing a loss" in profits go hand in hand. Maybe a plan for the company to squeeze more money out of its employees?

03-10-2011, 04:12 AM

#44

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There's a possibility that you could show up for class at Republic, and then suddenly find out that a couple hundred furloughed (locked out) pilots will be senior to you, and bidding vacancies in front of you. Depending on how many of us choose to go back, you could stay last on the list, on reserve, furlough bait forever. Not good.

On the other hand, if AMR sells Eagle, there'll likely be turd sandwiches all around. If sold, Eagle will get lean (taking from your paycheck) and be thrown into the regional world of revolving door contracts like everyone else. Speaking of Eagle, do they actually own those jungle jets. I would actually hope not, because they're financial submarines unless gas is very cheap.

No way to know. As someone else said, go back to school if you can, and the key to happiness is low expectations.

03-10-2011, 04:49 AM

#45

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AMR (not Eagle) owns, and will likely keep, the jets and simply subcontract the flying of them to the lowest bidder after a short honeymoon period.

03-10-2011, 05:11 AM

#46

Jinrai Butai

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Originally Posted by showmethemoney

Eagle is being split from American. If they are still around after a couple years, they will probably end up being bought by either Republic or SkyWest.

Any pilot going to Eagle risks being furloughed after a year or two. Better to go to Republic and still have a job in 5 years.

03-10-2011, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 1985aviation

Thank all of you for your respones, here is more about my situation:

I'm scheduled for a class with Eagle on March 28th bases & equipment not known yet untill the first day of ground school but the options are (EMB-145, ATR-72 or CRJ700).

one the other hand I'm schedule for a class on April 4th with Republic which I'm going for the EMB-145 (Chautauqua).

my career goals is to fly the big jets and to be honest with you I can't get to a decision yet...

I would go for republic if they gonna offer me the EMB-170 with Shuttle America but that is not the case now. I asked for this specific aircraft and was told that they will inform me incase they will have a place for me there.

Keep it going with your opinions, I really need advices!

Thanks

Ride both horses as long as you can. Tell Republic you'll be there and go to Eagle on the 28th. If Eagle feels good tell Republic thanks but no thanks. Keep your options open as long as possible.

Side note: Upgrade time at Eagle is coming down. Last bid was 5 year upgrade if I remember correctly and it's expected to keep coming down.

03-10-2011, 06:42 AM

#48

bailee atr

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Originally Posted by swaayze

AMR (not Eagle) owns, and will likely keep, the jets and simply subcontract the flying of them to the lowest bidder after a short honeymoon period.

Eagle owns the EMBs, that was the premise of the grievance the union just filed against the company because they where in Brazil trying to change it to AMR. However, AMR is the cosignee on the loans with the national development bank of brazil. If they do get the loans in AMRs name it's to give them to the lowest bidder.

03-10-2011, 06:59 AM

#49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1985aviation

Thank all of you for your respones, here is more about my situation:

I'm scheduled for a class with Eagle on March 28th bases & equipment not known yet untill the first day of ground school but the options are (EMB-145, ATR-72 or CRJ700).

one the other hand I'm schedule for a class on April 4th with Republic which I'm going for the EMB-145 (Chautauqua).

my career goals is to fly the big jets and to be honest with you I can't get to a decision yet...

I would go for republic if they gonna offer me the EMB-170 with Shuttle America but that is not the case now. I asked for this specific aircraft and was told that they will inform me incase they will have a place for me there.

Keep it going with your opinions, I really need advices!

Thanks

I love how people are still dumb enough and have a hard on to go to RAH just to fly the E170.

03-10-2011, 07:16 AM

#50

johnso29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlepilot

Very good points. I have been with Republic for 3 years and half of it on furlough. It sucked.. ask anyone that had to do that he/she will tell you how bad it is..

What other poster said is true.. Trading trips are hard, but it is not impossible.
upgrade is not at the level of 2006 - 2007 but there isn't any other regional that has faster upgrades.

This is a stupid discussion of which regional is better mentality.. guess what? regional is a regional is a regional..

So, you will have to make your decision based on what your needs are.. Good luck with whichever company you decide to go with..

Actually, that's not true. Look at Colgan, Compass, Great Lakes, & GoJet. All have much quicker upgrades then any certificate at RAH.