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#411
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 134
right because the systems oral won't actually determine whos proficient.. thats what the written test (that EVERYONE passes) is for
#413
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Back in school.
Posts: 580
#414
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 399
Things like two 12hr/6 leg days with a minimum rest overnight in between, followed by a 14hr/6 leg day 3, all on a PM schedule to a minimum rest overnight to work the first flight in the morning out of Bumhole, WV on day 4 to have your calls to scheduling/their supervisors and ALPA fall on deaf ears when you try and discuss how safe it really is to put someone on this schedule (I mean its legal therefore its ok! Besides, they don't have anybody else...right). Lines and being a line holder not meaning anything, being treated like a reserve even with the contract, afterall, hey its just "reassigning" flying if its within your pairing...
The night to morning issue was addressed going into June. I was given a pairing to review that had you arriving into HPN on day 1 just before midnight, but on day 3 and 4, you would be doing the first flight out in the morning. Luckily we managed to fix it.
We have gone with the rule of no stand ups to Altoona due to the cab ride, 30 minutes each way eats up too much time. We also decided that CHO will always be a stand up going forward because its a short flight. Why have a stand up crew who is going to go under guarantee anyway do long flights, when we could put the longer flights into pairings that will go over guarantee. Its also a nice little flight and almost gets you 6 hours of rest if you are on time.
The contract has also bit us in the ass a bit and caused use to have 1 day lay overs in places like BKW. Under the contract you CANNOT be scheduled for less than 10 hours of rest. Unfortunately in BKW you get in late on Saturday night, and would get around 9hrs 30min of rest before doing the first flight out on Sunday morning. This is illegal, hence the reason why a crew must sit there until Monday morning.
Its also very hard to convince crew planning to have nice commutable lines, when you have a 4 hour min day. They will not let us build pairings that have you finish on day 4 by just flying back to the hub and being released. They just arent going to approve a day that pays 4 hours for 1.5 hours of actual work. We understand your frustration.
Like I said though, the biggest issue is the way united schedules us in the first place. Take a look at IAH SF3 pairings. They have some very productive 3 and 4 day trips that have regular overnights, this is because CAL doesnt have banks of flights leaving at the same time. They dont have these stupid 3 hours sits in the afternoon.
If you have any other questions, shoot me a PM and Id be more than happy to give you my number to answer any other questions regarding schedules.
#415
I have some Van time from another life
#416
"While I personally think that stand ups are a disaster waiting to happen,..... Its also very hard to justify getting rid of stand ups when some of the most senior people bid them. "
What makes stand ups bad are the folks that (for whatever reason) won't sleep when the sun is up. Folks need to accept that sleepy time is 0900-1700.
What makes stand ups bad are the folks that (for whatever reason) won't sleep when the sun is up. Folks need to accept that sleepy time is 0900-1700.
#420
"While I personally think that stand ups are a disaster waiting to happen,..... Its also very hard to justify getting rid of stand ups when some of the most senior people bid them. "
What makes stand ups bad are the folks that (for whatever reason) won't sleep when the sun is up. Folks need to accept that sleepy time is 0900-1700.
What makes stand ups bad are the folks that (for whatever reason) won't sleep when the sun is up. Folks need to accept that sleepy time is 0900-1700.
It is amazing that something has not happened yet on a CDO. Pilots doing 4 in a row in the Northeast. Wintertime, snow blowing, visability down to 1/2 mile and here is a crew on their 4th CDO, having to fly a city pair EAS route from IAD-AOO-JST and not hit anything or anyone when doing it...
Disaster waiting to happen? Indeed!
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