Past V1

I suppose this is how the "wonder kids" will get around it...

You may be issued an ATP certificate with the endorsement "Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO," if you
Credit SIC or flight-engineer time toward the 1,500 hr. total flight time requirement
Do not have at least 1,200 hr. of flight time as a pilot, including no more than 50% of your SIC time and none of your flight-engineer time
Otherwise meet the aeronautical experience requirements
NOTE: The endorsement described in item c. above will be removed when you present satisfactory evidence of the accumulation of 1,200 hr. flight time as a pilot including no more than 50% of your SIC time and none of your flight-engineer time.

Just a guess...correct me if I'm wrong.

Kermitbobo

"250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, OR as SECOND IN COMMAND performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command."
It's not like you have to go get typed in something then go get 250 hours. If you have your commercial you already have at least 100 PIC. Just saying if I was just starting out I wouldn't be too worried about this requirement.

rickair7777

That's the work around I was referring to.

However...the SIC performing the duties of PIC really requires an operation which requires an SIC. You can do this flying the line at a 121 airline, but the captain would have to agree to allow it and sign off on it. You might be able to do this "under the radar" if the CA is pretty daring, but I think any airline would want to know and approve this. I think a CA would be going out on a limb without company approval. I have heard of at least one airline that allowed this (anecdotally). If you do it without the airlines approval, you will probably get caught when you submit your 8710 at upgrade time.

That worked for 121 FO's who didn't have enough PIC to upgrade. As far as doing it that way to meet an SIC ATP requirement to get hired at an airline, you would need to get an actual non-121 SIC job (or pay for one ). The way the reg is worded you can't just "go for an airplane ride" with another pilot and log it towards the ATP PIC requirement.

PSpence

Pardon my ignorance, but I've always wondered: how would pay going up create a sudden supply of Pilots? Does that imply that there exists a large pool of qualified Pilots just refusing to fly until pay goes up and they only will show face once that occurs?

Sorry if that's just a simple concept everyone understands excluding myself. I see quite a few people saying the "pay goes up, supply back", so I just finally had to ask.

Thanks for any clarification received.

f16jetmech

This is my opinion, not science or proven fact. But my opinion is that, when the 1500 hour rule goes into effect, there are going to be a lot less idiots in the flight schools blowing through the commercial programs and then just going to the regionals. So then with less pilots being produced, you have less supply to work with. To make it more attractive, you increase pay to attract more pilots... than we turn into pre-2001 pay all over again and than a huge supply of pilots because the pay is sick and its a fun job.

My opinion and 2 cents

Copperhed51

My current airline has no problem with CA's doing this. I don't see why it would be an issue.

odog1121

I log it everytime the other guy goes to the pooper. 5 minutes every other flight adds up quick. I won't let them back in til they agree to sign it.

Frquent Fly3r

Completely off topic here and I apologise for doing so.. but how realistic is getting in a regional airline job in the USA if I'm from a caribbean country?? I already have 1,500hrs of Turbine time SIC and already at the tender age of 22..also a female..

Airline here in the Caribbean looks as though its about to go belly up in costs and I just need to fly for food.

rickair7777

Is it a US territory? If so, you should have right to work, and with previous airline experience you should not have much difficulty. It does not hurt to be a female either.

If it's not a US territory, you will need to get a green card first. That's a whole 'nother conversation.

rickair7777

There is no FAR which requires the PIC to sit in the left seat. Basically you pretend to be the CA and the CA lets you make all the decisions, unless you do something he is uncomfortable with.

This is not something new, it just doesn't get used much unless you have an airline hiring wet commercials