Conflict of Interest? (XJT pilots march)
12-07-2010, 12:36 PM
#11
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I wonder how many showed up? 2 XJT pilots reportedly picketed in IAH. One MEC guy and one line pilot. I was conflicted. I brought my hat with me that day (11/30) and I had the time to go picket after commuting in before my trip, but I just couldn't make myself go. I think I would have vomited in the picket line.
If there was a PLAN other than simply taking OUR jobs (yes, I am declaring them OUR jobs after 15 years of giving them away to US and forking over OUR careers for their mainline pension/pay protection that isn't working out quite like they thought it would) and telling us to get at the back of the bus to get rehired at mainline when they take them back? They can go forking fork themselves.
Give me a PLAN other than "sacrificial unemployment" and blowing a huge forking hole in my already 40%-discounted airline pilot career because they woke up 10 years late. Yeah, right. XJT guys have been some of the strongest union pilots anywhere, but we are sick of hearing it from the other side. At this point, we need whatever pennies we can salvage of the chit our careers have become. We need to forget about empty mainline promises that will do nothing to make our careers any less chitty than they are. The majors can have the RJs back, but not before every RJ pilot fights for every last penny that we can get. Management played this perfectly. But that doesn't matter now. We have been divided and regional pilots have NO reason to help you. Sorry.
Maybe go picket if you have been at stuck at regionals only a few years, not 10 or 12. I don't think any regional pilot is entitled to anything, but how about a small bit of recognition? After a decade, I need a PLAN other than the back of the career bus.
ALPA and the mainline MECs are so jacked-over they have ceased to have a reference point to just how jacked they are.
They are like panhandlers your ignore on the street. They want to give you a story and steal from you. They are going to have to take it, or give me a plan that doesn't destroy MY career even more than it has been already. Until then, give me the 70 seaters and the extra $4 to fly it for as long as possible until the mainline guys are forced to fork their own careers to get it back. Why? Well, it's because it's AVAILABLE TO ME. As far as I can tell, there is no mainline job at any payrate that is AVAILABLE TO ME. Sell my "future at mainline" for a paltry $4 override. Yeah, well, it's $4 I can't get anywhere else. Make it back in the right seat of a 737... 6 years from now... yeah right...
The AGE 65 APOCALYPSE and now they want the jobs "back at mainline" Great plan guys. That sounds really great. Get a better set of ideas or GO FORK YOURSELVES..
If there was a PLAN other than simply taking OUR jobs (yes, I am declaring them OUR jobs after 15 years of giving them away to US and forking over OUR careers for their mainline pension/pay protection that isn't working out quite like they thought it would) and telling us to get at the back of the bus to get rehired at mainline when they take them back? They can go forking fork themselves.
Give me a PLAN other than "sacrificial unemployment" and blowing a huge forking hole in my already 40%-discounted airline pilot career because they woke up 10 years late. Yeah, right. XJT guys have been some of the strongest union pilots anywhere, but we are sick of hearing it from the other side. At this point, we need whatever pennies we can salvage of the chit our careers have become. We need to forget about empty mainline promises that will do nothing to make our careers any less chitty than they are. The majors can have the RJs back, but not before every RJ pilot fights for every last penny that we can get. Management played this perfectly. But that doesn't matter now. We have been divided and regional pilots have NO reason to help you. Sorry.
Maybe go picket if you have been at stuck at regionals only a few years, not 10 or 12. I don't think any regional pilot is entitled to anything, but how about a small bit of recognition? After a decade, I need a PLAN other than the back of the career bus.
ALPA and the mainline MECs are so jacked-over they have ceased to have a reference point to just how jacked they are.
They are like panhandlers your ignore on the street. They want to give you a story and steal from you. They are going to have to take it, or give me a plan that doesn't destroy MY career even more than it has been already. Until then, give me the 70 seaters and the extra $4 to fly it for as long as possible until the mainline guys are forced to fork their own careers to get it back. Why? Well, it's because it's AVAILABLE TO ME. As far as I can tell, there is no mainline job at any payrate that is AVAILABLE TO ME. Sell my "future at mainline" for a paltry $4 override. Yeah, well, it's $4 I can't get anywhere else. Make it back in the right seat of a 737... 6 years from now... yeah right...
The AGE 65 APOCALYPSE and now they want the jobs "back at mainline" Great plan guys. That sounds really great. Get a better set of ideas or GO FORK YOURSELVES..
Last edited by CaptainNameless; 12-07-2010 at 01:12 PM.
12-08-2010, 04:36 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 28
wow some people are angry here. In my opinion there should not be an regional pilots period. All flying on all types of airplanes should be done by mainline pilots and get paid mainline pay! I hope CAL/UAL pilots will stick it to Smisek! If I was off, I would have gladly walked the line.
12-09-2010, 05:41 AM
#13
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 2
Why? Well, it's because it's AVAILABLE TO ME. As far as I can tell, there is no mainline job at any payrate that is AVAILABLE TO ME. Sell my "future at mainline" for a paltry $4 override. Yeah, well, it's $4 I can't get anywhere else. Make it back in the right seat of a 737... 6 years from now... yeah right...
12-09-2010, 07:14 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
I wonder how many showed up? 2 XJT pilots reportedly picketed in IAH. One MEC guy and one line pilot. I was conflicted. I brought my hat with me that day (11/30) and I had the time to go picket after commuting in before my trip, but I just couldn't make myself go. I think I would have vomited in the picket line.
If there was a PLAN other than simply taking OUR jobs (yes, I am declaring them OUR jobs after 15 years of giving them away to US and forking over OUR careers for their mainline pension/pay protection that isn't working out quite like they thought it would) and telling us to get at the back of the bus to get rehired at mainline when they take them back? They can go forking fork themselves.
Give me a PLAN other than "sacrificial unemployment" and blowing a huge forking hole in my already 40%-discounted airline pilot career because they woke up 10 years late. Yeah, right. XJT guys have been some of the strongest union pilots anywhere, but we are sick of hearing it from the other side. At this point, we need whatever pennies we can salvage of the chit our careers have become. We need to forget about empty mainline promises that will do nothing to make our careers any less chitty than they are. The majors can have the RJs back, but not before every RJ pilot fights for every last penny that we can get. Management played this perfectly. But that doesn't matter now. We have been divided and regional pilots have NO reason to help you. Sorry.
Maybe go picket if you have been at stuck at regionals only a few years, not 10 or 12. I don't think any regional pilot is entitled to anything, but how about a small bit of recognition? After a decade, I need a PLAN other than the back of the career bus.
ALPA and the mainline MECs are so jacked-over they have ceased to have a reference point to just how jacked they are.
They are like panhandlers your ignore on the street. They want to give you a story and steal from you. They are going to have to take it, or give me a plan that doesn't destroy MY career even more than it has been already. Until then, give me the 70 seaters and the extra $4 to fly it for as long as possible until the mainline guys are forced to fork their own careers to get it back. Why? Well, it's because it's AVAILABLE TO ME. As far as I can tell, there is no mainline job at any payrate that is AVAILABLE TO ME. Sell my "future at mainline" for a paltry $4 override. Yeah, well, it's $4 I can't get anywhere else. Make it back in the right seat of a 737... 6 years from now... yeah right...
The AGE 65 APOCALYPSE and now they want the jobs "back at mainline" Great plan guys. That sounds really great. Get a better set of ideas or GO FORK YOURSELVES..
If there was a PLAN other than simply taking OUR jobs (yes, I am declaring them OUR jobs after 15 years of giving them away to US and forking over OUR careers for their mainline pension/pay protection that isn't working out quite like they thought it would) and telling us to get at the back of the bus to get rehired at mainline when they take them back? They can go forking fork themselves.
Give me a PLAN other than "sacrificial unemployment" and blowing a huge forking hole in my already 40%-discounted airline pilot career because they woke up 10 years late. Yeah, right. XJT guys have been some of the strongest union pilots anywhere, but we are sick of hearing it from the other side. At this point, we need whatever pennies we can salvage of the chit our careers have become. We need to forget about empty mainline promises that will do nothing to make our careers any less chitty than they are. The majors can have the RJs back, but not before every RJ pilot fights for every last penny that we can get. Management played this perfectly. But that doesn't matter now. We have been divided and regional pilots have NO reason to help you. Sorry.
Maybe go picket if you have been at stuck at regionals only a few years, not 10 or 12. I don't think any regional pilot is entitled to anything, but how about a small bit of recognition? After a decade, I need a PLAN other than the back of the career bus.
ALPA and the mainline MECs are so jacked-over they have ceased to have a reference point to just how jacked they are.
They are like panhandlers your ignore on the street. They want to give you a story and steal from you. They are going to have to take it, or give me a plan that doesn't destroy MY career even more than it has been already. Until then, give me the 70 seaters and the extra $4 to fly it for as long as possible until the mainline guys are forced to fork their own careers to get it back. Why? Well, it's because it's AVAILABLE TO ME. As far as I can tell, there is no mainline job at any payrate that is AVAILABLE TO ME. Sell my "future at mainline" for a paltry $4 override. Yeah, well, it's $4 I can't get anywhere else. Make it back in the right seat of a 737... 6 years from now... yeah right...
The AGE 65 APOCALYPSE and now they want the jobs "back at mainline" Great plan guys. That sounds really great. Get a better set of ideas or GO FORK YOURSELVES..
12-10-2010, 06:46 AM
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I wonder how many showed up? 2 XJT pilots reportedly picketed in IAH. One MEC guy and one line pilot. I was conflicted. I brought my hat with me that day (11/30) and I had the time to go picket after commuting in before my trip, but I just couldn't make myself go. I think I would have vomited in the picket line.
If there was a PLAN other than simply taking OUR jobs (yes, I am declaring them OUR jobs after 15 years of giving them away to US and forking over OUR careers for their mainline pension/pay protection that isn't working out quite like they thought it would) and telling us to get at the back of the bus to get rehired at mainline when they take them back? They can go forking fork themselves.
Give me a PLAN other than "sacrificial unemployment" and blowing a huge forking hole in my already 40%-discounted airline pilot career because they woke up 10 years late. Yeah, right. XJT guys have been some of the strongest union pilots anywhere, but we are sick of hearing it from the other side. At this point, we need whatever pennies we can salvage of the chit our careers have become. We need to forget about empty mainline promises that will do nothing to make our careers any less chitty than they are. The majors can have the RJs back, but not before every RJ pilot fights for every last penny that we can get. Management played this perfectly. But that doesn't matter now. We have been divided and regional pilots have NO reason to help you. Sorry.
Maybe go picket if you have been at stuck at regionals only a few years, not 10 or 12. I don't think any regional pilot is entitled to anything, but how about a small bit of recognition? After a decade, I need a PLAN other than the back of the career bus.
ALPA and the mainline MECs are so jacked-over they have ceased to have a reference point to just how jacked they are.
They are like panhandlers your ignore on the street. They want to give you a story and steal from you. They are going to have to take it, or give me a plan that doesn't destroy MY career even more than it has been already. Until then, give me the 70 seaters and the extra $4 to fly it for as long as possible until the mainline guys are forced to fork their own careers to get it back. Why? Well, it's because it's AVAILABLE TO ME. As far as I can tell, there is no mainline job at any payrate that is AVAILABLE TO ME. Sell my "future at mainline" for a paltry $4 override. Yeah, well, it's $4 I can't get anywhere else. Make it back in the right seat of a 737... 6 years from now... yeah right...
The AGE 65 APOCALYPSE and now they want the jobs "back at mainline" Great plan guys. That sounds really great. Get a better set of ideas or GO FORK YOURSELVES..
If there was a PLAN other than simply taking OUR jobs (yes, I am declaring them OUR jobs after 15 years of giving them away to US and forking over OUR careers for their mainline pension/pay protection that isn't working out quite like they thought it would) and telling us to get at the back of the bus to get rehired at mainline when they take them back? They can go forking fork themselves.
Give me a PLAN other than "sacrificial unemployment" and blowing a huge forking hole in my already 40%-discounted airline pilot career because they woke up 10 years late. Yeah, right. XJT guys have been some of the strongest union pilots anywhere, but we are sick of hearing it from the other side. At this point, we need whatever pennies we can salvage of the chit our careers have become. We need to forget about empty mainline promises that will do nothing to make our careers any less chitty than they are. The majors can have the RJs back, but not before every RJ pilot fights for every last penny that we can get. Management played this perfectly. But that doesn't matter now. We have been divided and regional pilots have NO reason to help you. Sorry.
Maybe go picket if you have been at stuck at regionals only a few years, not 10 or 12. I don't think any regional pilot is entitled to anything, but how about a small bit of recognition? After a decade, I need a PLAN other than the back of the career bus.
ALPA and the mainline MECs are so jacked-over they have ceased to have a reference point to just how jacked they are.
They are like panhandlers your ignore on the street. They want to give you a story and steal from you. They are going to have to take it, or give me a plan that doesn't destroy MY career even more than it has been already. Until then, give me the 70 seaters and the extra $4 to fly it for as long as possible until the mainline guys are forced to fork their own careers to get it back. Why? Well, it's because it's AVAILABLE TO ME. As far as I can tell, there is no mainline job at any payrate that is AVAILABLE TO ME. Sell my "future at mainline" for a paltry $4 override. Yeah, well, it's $4 I can't get anywhere else. Make it back in the right seat of a 737... 6 years from now... yeah right...
The AGE 65 APOCALYPSE and now they want the jobs "back at mainline" Great plan guys. That sounds really great. Get a better set of ideas or GO FORK YOURSELVES..
Isn't it great that these mainline guys have convinced themselves that regional pilots are the problem? The act like we want to be making substandard wages with junk work rules. They don't see that they put us here because they wanted extra money when times were good. Thanks ALPA and thanks mainline carriers for your awesome negotiating! Now we are supposed to applaud these UAL guys for wanting the flying they didn't want back.
In the end if the mainlines take back the regional flying the current generation of regional pilots get F'ed because when the mainlines hire they will hire minorities and women first while guys with 10 years experience wait around taking a junior spot on a 737. Atleast the greedy bastards at the top made a stand though right? Fixing their errors at no cost to them.
12-10-2010, 10:04 PM
#16
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I tried to get over. Hard. Plenty of internal recs, no interview. I got caught in the "we're not taking any more XJT guys with 1,000+ PIC because they're taking our type rating and selling it over at SWA" hole.
Listen, I am done being bitter, but I am also done thinking I can do anything to "make the profession better." The profession, ALPA, mainline MECs, whatever, made a bunch of choices that ****ed over an entire generation of airline pilots. And they have offered nothing to ease the losses. So, screw them. That's the new plan. Take as much of their jobs and money as possible before the whole regional thing collapses in the next 5-10 years and I go sell tires or whatever. I tried. They didn't.
Last edited by CaptainNameless; 12-10-2010 at 11:02 PM.
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