Why they do that? a Q&A with NY approach.
11-30-2010, 05:06 AM
#81
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Didn't realize a Maddog climbed out at 320 to .80 and 1000-2000 fpm all the way to 410. That's typical in a -900. I outrun MD-88s daily departing ATL. The only mainline jet that gives us a run for our money is a 75. And your max cruise is .77 if I'm not mistaken. I cruise at .83 and usually 5000-8,000 above you.
11-30-2010, 06:24 AM
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Out of LGA, westbound past ELIOT...why do we get stuck at 17,000ft for 50+ miles before we can get the climb? Wastes a lot of gas. The other problem is with VFR aircraft. I have had 3 RA's that I have had to climb or descend for at 17,000 feet out of LGA. Departure will call out a King Air at 16,500 or 17,500...its always head on and I end up having to deviate on my altitude due to an RA. The best part is that the same controller is normally talking to the King Air guy and never asks either of us to turn 10 left for traffic. I realize that you are not required to seperate VFR from IFR traffic, but if they are only 500 feet sperated, I'm going to get the RA and have to cause you more work (plus I have to fill out paperwork that night when I get to the hotel...boo!).
11-30-2010, 07:48 AM
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Here we go. You sure told me off Mr. MD copilot!
Didn't realize a Maddog climbed out at 320 to .80 and 1000-2000 fpm all the way to 410. That's typical in a -900. I outrun MD-88s daily departing ATL. The only mainline jet that gives us a run for our money is a 75. And your max cruise is .77 if I'm not mistaken. I cruise at .83 and usually 5000-8,000 above you.
Didn't realize a Maddog climbed out at 320 to .80 and 1000-2000 fpm all the way to 410. That's typical in a -900. I outrun MD-88s daily departing ATL. The only mainline jet that gives us a run for our money is a 75. And your max cruise is .77 if I'm not mistaken. I cruise at .83 and usually 5000-8,000 above you.
11-30-2010, 08:31 AM
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Speaking of which, what does ATC think of the SWA climb at 320 then leveling off at 400-410 at .65, then barber pole to 10,000 in the descent? And what's worse, other 737 operators like Airtran and Delta are starting to copy it. We used to have 380+ to ourselves to go as fast as we wanted to. Not so much anymore.
11-30-2010, 08:38 AM
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Why as far west as PTW? Beats me. I can't recall being left low for THAT long. I fly out of JFK/LGA westbound from time to time, and while we're obviously left at 17,000 for quite some time, we do usually get higher once nearing GAYEL, PARKE, BIGGY, etc. N90 can't climb us above 17,000, only ZNY can, and sometimes the handoff might take awhile.
Again, I'm not a controller, that's just my understanding (some of this info once passed on to me by a controller, though).
11-30-2010, 08:41 AM
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Why as far west as PTW? Beats me. I can't recall being left low for THAT long. I fly out of JFK/LGA westbound from time to time, and while we're obviously left at 17,000 for quite some time, we do usually get higher once nearing GAYEL, PARKE, BIGGY, etc. N90 can't climb us above 17,000, only ZNY can, and sometimes the handoff might take awhile.
Again, I'm not a controller, that's just my understanding (some of this info once passed on to me by a controller, though).
Again, I'm not a controller, that's just my understanding (some of this info once passed on to me by a controller, though).
11-30-2010, 08:45 AM
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Speaking of which, what does ATC think of the SWA climb at 320 then leveling off at 400-410 at .65, then barber pole to 10,000 in the descent? And what's worse, other 737 operators like Airtran and Delta are starting to copy it. We used to have 380+ to ourselves to go as fast as we wanted to. Not so much anymore.
11-30-2010, 09:20 AM
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