bigscrillywilli

Why is it that every time on my last leg to LGA when I check on I get slowed to 180 knots? During the middle of my trips when I want to make money I get direct to DIALS for the stupid Expressway! Do you guys know my schedule??

P.S. thank you for the thousand and thousands of dollars you've added to my paychecks over the years!

tone

You're in a Dash and got SLOWED to 180 knots??! Just kiddin, I flew em, had a blast!

TonyWilliams

"It happens" is different than "ya, no landing clearance... hey, let's land anyway".

Yes, it's happened to me. Look up and see the taxiway light off. Uh, did we get a clearance to land?

Captain Tony

Not the 700/900. We actually slow for Maddogs and 737s.

Captain Tony

That's semantics. I don't think anyone was suggesting you say "screw 'em we don't need no stinkin' clearance".

TrojanCMH

How come on a clear day going from PHL to JFK we got a 1.5 hour wheels up time after we pushed and started taxing. No one (clearance, ground, dispatch, FAA website) knew of this delay until we were halfway to the runway. We talked to our dispatcher and he said no other aircraft have been delayed going into JFK all day. Does it have to do with the proximity of the two airports? Even the ground controller was surprised and said he would have someone make a few phone calls. They got it down to 40 minutes but was still surprising. I guess with JFK surprising should be taken from my vocabulary.

Also who are you guys talking to on the "land line"? I missed a few radio calls once and jokingly said I was on the land line and it seemed to really upset the controller.

saab2000

I've got a buddy who's a controller a Minneapolis Center. He said that half the time there just talking to the guy next to them and miss the call. Sorta like we do......

The one I don't get is when we check on 3 or 4 times and get no response and the controller issues instructions to another airplane. If he would just say, "xxxx standby" we wouldn't keep calling. I don't know if he/she has heard or if I have a radio problem or what.

It results in a lot of blocked transmissions and needless waste of valuable airtime, especially on the east coast.

As to the guy who whined about the slow-climbing RJs, ask your own company. They're the ones who wanted them.

Ajax

We have to play with the cards we're dealt. If the RJ took off ahead of you, there is not much I can do from the approach side. We're required to hand you off to the center with constant or increasing spacing, on the route (usually climbing to or leveled at 16000 over Coate). It is up to the center to decide whether to use altitude separation, and let everyone run at normal speed.

Ajax

Sometimes I see LGA arrivals cruising at over 320 over the ground past RBV still @10000, and there are times they're all zig zagging all over the sky at 180. Timing is everything. That's something that depends on traffic volume at the time. If you're always getting hit with that 180 restriction, then you're probably scheduled to come in at the tail end of a peak,

Ajax

ATC is a dynamic enviroment, and there are many things that could cause this. Emergencies happen on ocasion, and when that happens, depending on the severity of the emergency, controllers tend to shut down everything else incoming so that they can provide better handling and avoid other distractions. Other things like runway changes will trigger sudden short delays. VIP/presidential movement will cause a shutdown or airspace limitations. I've seen equipment failrures cause shutdowns. A pilot with a stuck mike will cause me to shut down incoming traffic. A nordo aircraft incoming to NY (911 flashes) causes us to shut down.

Too many variables. Like the bumber sticker reads/ "sh*t happens!"


As for the land line coment. We talk to the tower, other in house radar sectors, adjacent approach controls, and the center. In addition, we could be talking with the handoff controller, or another radar sector next to us.

And yes, I will talk to whomever is more important for me to talk to. Priorities are priorities. talking to the departure that just took off, or the arrival that jsut check in over the inbound fix is less important than solving a potential onflict, or turning somebody on final before the blow through the localizer.