Projected Retirement in the next 18 months
09-02-2010, 09:32 AM
#51
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I didn't create you. That was before my time. I also don't hate you. What I hate is your inflammatory attitude that you display whenever mainline talks about recapturing scope or in anyway hindering the potential growth of your airline. You chose to stay at ASA, & if UAL/CAL recaptures scope in anyway, & that results in backwards movement at your job then that is a decision you have to live with.
If you want to add non-inflammatory remarks to a debate as to why you think more scope will be sold that's fine. But your comments are often the opposite, using phrases such as 'beating your chests'. I see it all the time in threads about scope, mergers, and anything else that has to do with ASA.
If you want to add non-inflammatory remarks to a debate as to why you think more scope will be sold that's fine. But your comments are often the opposite, using phrases such as 'beating your chests'. I see it all the time in threads about scope, mergers, and anything else that has to do with ASA.
Simply put, you all want to be "Indian givers". You (or your predecessors at least) gave something away that you didn't want, but now suddenly you decided you want it after all, so you're taking it back, and tough luck for us. I learned in kindergarten that it's not nice to do that.
09-02-2010, 09:47 AM
#52
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It is posters like you that make forums like this a crappy place to post thoughts and ideas from time to time because of the arrogance, childish, ANONYMOUS, responses from "know-it-all's" like you.
If you don't understand the general merit to my post, fine, but why reply with such a condescending and childish response by saying I have "know idea about what (I am) talking about?" Do the Legacy carriers a favor and stay at ASA your whole life, you and your great personality deserve everything you have coming to you!!
I stand by my post as being factual for all intent and purposes as to why regionals a poor "career" choices - including Skywest. If you think the few gates in ATL that Skywest, Inc. owns, makes them a "player" in the airline business, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you.
Technically, you are correct in your response about the gates, the reservation system, and possibly, on a good day, the brand name thing, maybe - and, technically, a female politician can see Russia from Alaska.
If you have a problem with me or my post beyond what has been said here, please PM me. Otherwise I am done with you on this topic.
09-02-2010, 09:49 AM
#53
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Have you considered that when you cavalierly throw around comments about eliminating RJs, you're threatening to put me and my fellow pilots out of work? Do you not consider it inflammatory when you say tough luck, you're a contractor and we own you? Why wouldn't we get upset? We're real people with real families to feed. We're not just a bunch of recent college grads who just want to fly a shiny jet.
Simply put, you all want to be "Indian givers". You (or your predecessors at least) gave something away that you didn't want, but now suddenly you decided you want it after all, so you're taking it back, and tough luck for us. I learned in kindergarten that it's not nice to do that.
Simply put, you all want to be "Indian givers". You (or your predecessors at least) gave something away that you didn't want, but now suddenly you decided you want it after all, so you're taking it back, and tough luck for us. I learned in kindergarten that it's not nice to do that.
Some of us took a chance and left a CA job at a regional and made the jump to mainline. For me personally, there was never a moment of hesitation to leave my RJ job and jump to a legacy. So far, it's been the best thing career wise that I have done. My QOL is much better and at 3rd year pay, like Johnso, I'm making more than I was as a 6.5 yr RJ Captain.
The argument can be made that when you work for the company that "owns" the flying you have more job security. Obviously this industry ebbs and flows and we seem to be entering a time where RJ flying is being reduced and mainline flying increased. The same people who complain about mainline giving up scope then complain about being out of a job when RJ contracts are not renewed and airplanes get parked. It's a catch 22. I do agree with you however that not everyone wants to make the jump and resign their seniority, especially when you have a family to worry about and care for. Best of luck to you.
09-02-2010, 09:52 AM
#54
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I truly wish we could all be as cool, all knowing, and a great pilot like you. In your words, since most of us on these forums don't know what we are talking about, please continue to impart your wisdom and great intellect on all of us.
It is posters like you that make forums like this a crappy place to post thoughts and ideas from time to time because of the arrogance, childish, ANONYMOUS, responses from "know-it-all's" like you.
If you don't understand the general merit to my post, fine, but why reply with such a condescending and childish response by saying I have "know idea about what (I am) talking about?" Do the Legacy carriers a favor and stay at ASA your whole life, you and your great personality deserve everything you have coming to you!!
I stand by my post as being factual for all intent and purposes as to why regionals a poor "career" choices - including Skywest. If you think the few gates in ATL that Skywest, Inc. owns, makes them a "player" in the airline business, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you.
Technically, you are correct in your response about the gates, the reservation system, and possibly, on a good day, the brand name thing, maybe - and, technically, a female politician can see Russia from Alaska.
If you have a problem with me or my post beyond what has been said here, please PM me. Otherwise I am done with you on this topic.
It is posters like you that make forums like this a crappy place to post thoughts and ideas from time to time because of the arrogance, childish, ANONYMOUS, responses from "know-it-all's" like you.
If you don't understand the general merit to my post, fine, but why reply with such a condescending and childish response by saying I have "know idea about what (I am) talking about?" Do the Legacy carriers a favor and stay at ASA your whole life, you and your great personality deserve everything you have coming to you!!
I stand by my post as being factual for all intent and purposes as to why regionals a poor "career" choices - including Skywest. If you think the few gates in ATL that Skywest, Inc. owns, makes them a "player" in the airline business, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you.
Technically, you are correct in your response about the gates, the reservation system, and possibly, on a good day, the brand name thing, maybe - and, technically, a female politician can see Russia from Alaska.
If you have a problem with me or my post beyond what has been said here, please PM me. Otherwise I am done with you on this topic.
But at least you admitted you were wrong when you finished insulting me. Probably a good idea for you to quit posting.
09-02-2010, 10:04 AM
#55
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I think what he's trying to get at is the argument goes both ways. Some people blame mainline for giving away scope but as you pointed out 9/11 happened. Airline bankruptcies occurred and concessionary contracts were signed. Others blame the regional pilots for "taking" their flying for less pay.
Some of us took a chance and left a CA job at a regional and made the jump to mainline. For me personally, there was never a moment of hesitation to leave my RJ job and jump to a legacy. So far, it's been the best thing career wise that I have done. My QOL is much better and at 3rd year pay, like Johnso, I'm making more than I was as a 6.5 yr RJ Captain.
The argument can be made that when you work for the company that "owns" the flying you have more job security. Obviously this industry ebbs and flows and we seem to be entering a time where RJ flying is being reduced and mainline flying increased. The same people who complain about mainline giving up scope then complain about being out of a job when RJ contracts are not renewed and airplanes get parked. It's a catch 22. I do agree with you however that not everyone wants to make the jump and resign their seniority, especially when you have a family to worry about and care for. Best of luck to you.
Some of us took a chance and left a CA job at a regional and made the jump to mainline. For me personally, there was never a moment of hesitation to leave my RJ job and jump to a legacy. So far, it's been the best thing career wise that I have done. My QOL is much better and at 3rd year pay, like Johnso, I'm making more than I was as a 6.5 yr RJ Captain.
The argument can be made that when you work for the company that "owns" the flying you have more job security. Obviously this industry ebbs and flows and we seem to be entering a time where RJ flying is being reduced and mainline flying increased. The same people who complain about mainline giving up scope then complain about being out of a job when RJ contracts are not renewed and airplanes get parked. It's a catch 22. I do agree with you however that not everyone wants to make the jump and resign their seniority, especially when you have a family to worry about and care for. Best of luck to you.
09-05-2010, 09:05 AM
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You guys have to remember, Age 65 did not just push all these retirements back 5 years. Yes, that was one of the major effects. However, the other major effect of Age 65 was requiring airlines to hire fewer pilots over many years because each pilot would spend more years working at the company.
Lets say a pilot was hired at an airline at age 40. Before Age 65, he would have 20 years of flying. Now with age 65, he will have 25 years of flying. That means that for every 40 year old new hire, airlines will need to hire about 25% less pilots than before.
It just amazes me that some of the worst aspects of being a pilot have come from our own group! We had a choice to keep it at Age 60, and we decided against it. One of the dumbest decisions ever made. It might rank up there with allowing 50+ seat RJ's into scope...
Lets say a pilot was hired at an airline at age 40. Before Age 65, he would have 20 years of flying. Now with age 65, he will have 25 years of flying. That means that for every 40 year old new hire, airlines will need to hire about 25% less pilots than before.
It just amazes me that some of the worst aspects of being a pilot have come from our own group! We had a choice to keep it at Age 60, and we decided against it. One of the dumbest decisions ever made. It might rank up there with allowing 50+ seat RJ's into scope...
09-05-2010, 10:11 AM
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09-06-2010, 06:20 PM
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14? I've heard of being optimistic but this is downright dreaming. Where do you see the world is rebounding? I keeping hearing about double dip recession.
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09-06-2010, 06:42 PM
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I have a friend who quit expressjet to go to Delta. He isn't so happy right now. (Course he commutes to ATL)
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