Slaphappy

Remove skywest from your post, we are not part of this merger and we never will be.

CaptainNameless

The perspective some SKW folks have on this point is incredible. You are stuck up to your necks in the middle of this merger whether you care to acknowledge it to yourselves or not. I think the sane pilots at the ASA and XJT hope to see this happen.

The XJT Houston guy who started this thread needs to recalibrate himself on what matters in airline mergers. It is not aircraft performance or comfort by the way.

And to you ASA guys who think XJT is a money losing operation, just check out our CASMs vs. yours. XJT is losing money because we were essentially forced at gunpoint to sign up for a profitless contract. Do you think maybe CAL forced that on us so a buyout would also be forced on us? CAL has pulled the strings on XJT since the day they spun us off. This is just the final chapter of a company that has always been a tool of a major airline and nothing more. CAL said we would be profitable for 4 years in 2001 so they could pocket their IPO cash, and we were profitable. CAL said we would operate for a loss and be sold, and guess what?

We can't control this stuff to a great extent, but we at XJT are going to try to preserve our successorship sections of our CBA as best we can. And if we are able to do that then the next question we at the new SKW need to ask is, how do we prevent the whipsaw AFTER the 3 way merger, because I guarantee you buying a new whipsaw carrier will be SKW mngmt. priority number 1 if we manage to get a 7,000 pilot single list. XJT scope section should be part of the new JCBA.

JetJock16

Meloveboeing,

The below thread is 3 years old so some of the rates have increased but it should give you a good understanding for our packages.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ns-please.html

As for your attitude, the "I’d don’t care" attitude has to go.

Slaphappy

This thread is yet another example of why I am glad that skywest is going to be excluded from this merger. You asa and xjt pilots can have this cluster, this merger is already turning into a usair and america west merger. I expected it, regional pilots are childish and less mature than their mainline counterparts. This will be the first merger of two massive regionals and after not even a week the cat hair is already flying. If you don’t believe me, go to any pilot forum and EVERY xjt/asa thread has pilots from both groups already at their throats, not one single thread has had a positive exchange. This merger will be the best thing that could happen to the anti-alpa people at skywest because our pilots will watch this abortion from the outside and be turned off by alpa and unions in general. It will remind them why they came to stable non-union skywest.

CaptainNameless

It's too funny that you think you're not even involved in this mess. You guys are right here with the rest of us.

NightIP

Enjoy riding the coattails of union labor, then. How's that new medical plan working out for ya? Still believe management will always look out for you?

They won't hesitate to slap you guys with pay cuts, line value reductions, etc. if they need to. I've worked for a non-union shop with a great reputation of "taking care of employees," and I've watched it go downhill fast when the money stops coming in.

Hope you don't lose a feed contract with a mainline customer. You'll experience all this first-hand like I did. Management is there to ensure that the company makes a profit; no more, no less. They'll do it any way they need to. Mark my words.

PeezDog

This buy out is already turning into a cluster already. We all know the 200 performance sucks, but who cares. A jet is a jet and we all still work for a regional. Getting tired of some XJT guys beating their chest. Our contract are very similar, I don't understand why some of you are making sound like its so much better. Seriously, if we don't work together on this, this will turn ugly for everyone. If we work together this everything will be fine. I don't see our contracts getting much better anyway. Just getting recalled and now I already have the thought that its possible we get furloughed again. I can't control that or do I know that so I'm not gonna let that get to me, just thinking out loud. And you know who's gonna get screwed in this deal? The junior guys at ASA, not the guys at XJT so I don't wanna hear you guys *****ing. You guys will be fine while the junior guys at the company that bought you will end up being screwed. Anyways isn't this a buy out? Not a merger? Is there difference? Seriously, heed the warning, do not mess with Skywest management.

Slaphappy

I am very happy with everything at skywest. There are a few things that I wouldn't mind seeing changed but i'll be damned if it's worth voting in the mob ruled alpa.

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NightIP

Unfortunately, I know at least one ASA FO who seriously wants a 2 to 1 ratio. He's been on property over there for, well, about as long as many of us have been on furlough. It's also his first real job in aviation outside of flight instructing.

Say what you want about XJT, but that kind of arrogance is astounding.

TonyWilliams

Guys, we're going to give this thread a rest. I predict that many of these threads will quickly end in childish quibbles, but can only hope that a new thread with this subject won't.

Debate the issues... don't attack the messenger.