If not an XJT/ASA pilot then get off the bus!
08-11-2010, 06:16 AM
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Indeed. The chest pounding from Houston has gotten old. Maybe we (through our union) should just make the demands so unreasonable that this whole deal goes down in flames. Then in two years when XJT is in bankruptcy, we can get their planes and flying for pennies on the dollar and not have to worry about seniority? How about that?
08-11-2010, 06:28 AM
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Did the OP pick his/her airline based on window placement? Or window size? Or whether or not the airplanes could handle certain routes with full payload? Those are decisions way, way above our pay grade.
Everyone who talks about how their RJ is better than someone else's RJ should just get over it. Seriously. Listen to yourselves.
Everyone who talks about how their RJ is better than someone else's RJ should just get over it. Seriously. Listen to yourselves.
08-11-2010, 06:45 AM
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For me, it's all about QOL Man...and we ALL need to get back some....SORELY ! Whatever happens with this merger I just hope we take ' best practices ' and make whatever it is this new airline will be better than what we have now as two separate entities trying to find out where they mesh best together.
08-11-2010, 06:58 AM
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All I'm saying is that XJT will not bring their practices and business problems that have been sinking the ship in recent years over to a very profitable airline. You guy's may have to give up a little to have a secure job, which would you like it to be?
08-11-2010, 07:06 AM
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Meloveboeing, a jet's a jet ...... other than that who cares? We didn't make the decision to operate them so all that should matter to us is making a respectable living doing so.
Relax.
08-11-2010, 07:11 AM
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While mentioning that some people get out from under the rock, that poster tried to sell the idea that "block or better" and 100% deadhead pay is rare. English is certainly not his/her first language and the old CRJ vs. ERJ debate hasn't been brought up since 2008. The entire post is inflammatory and almost definitely pure flame bait. ASA pilots, you are better than to stoop to this guy's level. Let it ride, nothing will come of making this merger adversarial.
08-11-2010, 07:32 AM
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I was reading some threads about the ASA/XTJ merger and I am like applaed of some of the ignorance out there! Like one idiot does not even know who Expressjet flies for! like which rock is this guy living under!
Here are a little facts about Expressjet:
Before we parked the 135s, we were the biggerst EMB 135/145 operator . . . I think with about 239 EMB 145s now we might still be. Before also we parked the 135s we had also the biggest all jets fleet.
We are also one of the highest paid regional airline pilots. Our 50 seater pay compares to 70 and 90 seater pay on some other regionals.
We also have one of the best contract. Here is some of the goodies in our contract.
Pay is per leg, a leg is blocked for 2:00 but it took us 2:30 to fly it, we keep the extra 30 minutes, even if on the next leg we under block. For example, on a 3 leg day, if blcoked 2:00, 1:30, 1:00, and we fly 2:30, 1:15, and :45, we get paid an extra :30 minute for that day (a total of 5:00 hours for that day)
Vacation, if it touches any trip, it drops the trip that it touches, so you take a one week vacation and turn it into a 3 weeks vacation wtih an 80 hours or even more line, depending which line you bid.
we get an initial line window in which we can trade trips . . and then the second window which allows worse day bad day trades. And with that, even though I almost at the end of the line holder seniority list in Houston, I can still manage to get weekends off by trading. I get alos about 14 to 15 days off while working extra and building my line up to 95 hours pay.
Deadhead is 100% pay, I know at other airlines it's either 75% or 50%
and many other goodies that I don't feel like typing right now.
about the EMB 145. CRJ drivers are not gonna like what I am about to say, but it is a fact. We have an umatched relationship with Embraer, and many of the modifications were made because of us. we started the LR2 program, and we are the only XR operator. the CRJ 200 is no match to either the LR2 or the XR in the range and load. And CRJ guys as much as this may offend you, this is a proven fact. Chataqua's attempt to operate the CRJ200 for continental was a dissaster! They could not carry the load, specially on routes like Houston to Colorado Spring, forget about it, the CRJ 200 could not even come close to either the LR2 or the XR, matter of fact Chataqua was not able to operate the CRJ200 on that route at all. Some of the things that pax enjoy about the EMB 145 vs the CRJ, is the bigger and higher windows, the single seat they have the option of getting and sitting by themselves.
I believe it is in the best interest for Skywest, ASA, and Expressjet piltos should be merged into one serority list, like Republic has it. Our contract stipulates that actually, and Skywest management is trying to bypass that by trying to make it look like ASA is buying XJT and not Skywest to prevent Skywest pilots from becoming unionized. I believe we have the best contract of all 3 pilot groups. However, if I am mistaken then share with me what you think you have that is a better working condition or QOL.
This is addressed to Skywest/ASA pilot so we can learn as much as we can about each other, if you are not one of those, then I really do not care about your opinion!
Here are a little facts about Expressjet:
Before we parked the 135s, we were the biggerst EMB 135/145 operator . . . I think with about 239 EMB 145s now we might still be. Before also we parked the 135s we had also the biggest all jets fleet.
We are also one of the highest paid regional airline pilots. Our 50 seater pay compares to 70 and 90 seater pay on some other regionals.
We also have one of the best contract. Here is some of the goodies in our contract.
Pay is per leg, a leg is blocked for 2:00 but it took us 2:30 to fly it, we keep the extra 30 minutes, even if on the next leg we under block. For example, on a 3 leg day, if blcoked 2:00, 1:30, 1:00, and we fly 2:30, 1:15, and :45, we get paid an extra :30 minute for that day (a total of 5:00 hours for that day)
Vacation, if it touches any trip, it drops the trip that it touches, so you take a one week vacation and turn it into a 3 weeks vacation wtih an 80 hours or even more line, depending which line you bid.
we get an initial line window in which we can trade trips . . and then the second window which allows worse day bad day trades. And with that, even though I almost at the end of the line holder seniority list in Houston, I can still manage to get weekends off by trading. I get alos about 14 to 15 days off while working extra and building my line up to 95 hours pay.
Deadhead is 100% pay, I know at other airlines it's either 75% or 50%
and many other goodies that I don't feel like typing right now.
about the EMB 145. CRJ drivers are not gonna like what I am about to say, but it is a fact. We have an umatched relationship with Embraer, and many of the modifications were made because of us. we started the LR2 program, and we are the only XR operator. the CRJ 200 is no match to either the LR2 or the XR in the range and load. And CRJ guys as much as this may offend you, this is a proven fact. Chataqua's attempt to operate the CRJ200 for continental was a dissaster! They could not carry the load, specially on routes like Houston to Colorado Spring, forget about it, the CRJ 200 could not even come close to either the LR2 or the XR, matter of fact Chataqua was not able to operate the CRJ200 on that route at all. Some of the things that pax enjoy about the EMB 145 vs the CRJ, is the bigger and higher windows, the single seat they have the option of getting and sitting by themselves.
I believe it is in the best interest for Skywest, ASA, and Expressjet piltos should be merged into one serority list, like Republic has it. Our contract stipulates that actually, and Skywest management is trying to bypass that by trying to make it look like ASA is buying XJT and not Skywest to prevent Skywest pilots from becoming unionized. I believe we have the best contract of all 3 pilot groups. However, if I am mistaken then share with me what you think you have that is a better working condition or QOL.
This is addressed to Skywest/ASA pilot so we can learn as much as we can about each other, if you are not one of those, then I really do not care about your opinion!
On behalf of the normal folks at XJT, I apologize for his outburst. [edit: delete flamebait]
We are proud of XJT and of some things in our contract, but that should not be misinterpreted as "We are better than you". All of us (Well, most of us) are looking forward to working with all pilot groups to secure a nice future with the new company.
Thank you, and let this be a warning if/when we do allow ASA/Skywest to bid into IAH - These are the people you fly with!!!!!
Last edited by TonyWilliams; 08-11-2010 at 08:51 AM.
08-11-2010, 07:52 AM
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08-11-2010, 08:42 AM
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On behalf of the normal folks at XJT, I apologize for his outburst. [edit: delete flamebait]
We are proud of XJT and of some things in our contract, but that should not be misinterpreted as "We are better than you". All of us (Well, most of us) are looking forward to working with all pilot groups to secure a nice future with the new company.
Thank you, and let this be a warning if/when we do allow ASA/Skywest to bid into IAH - These are the people you fly with!!!!!
We are proud of XJT and of some things in our contract, but that should not be misinterpreted as "We are better than you". All of us (Well, most of us) are looking forward to working with all pilot groups to secure a nice future with the new company.
Thank you, and let this be a warning if/when we do allow ASA/Skywest to bid into IAH - These are the people you fly with!!!!!
08-11-2010, 08:56 AM
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I am venting out on ASA/Skywest pilots? far from that. If that is how I came across to any Skywest/ASA pilot, then my applogies. . . I am ticked off by two things: 1) Skywest refusal to merge all 3 pilot groups. 2) some of the ignorant posts made by some pilots in regards to XJT and I decided to state some facts. I also wanted to find out how ASA/Skywest work rules compared to ours. Not to say we are better, but simply to compare.
wahtever man . . . I rarely ever actually get involved at any of these forums because usually it turns into some ****ing contest . . . and I suppose that's exactly what I just did . . . fine I'll take what comes my way as a result.
If I can say what I really came here to say in a few words: One seniority list will benefit all of us.
I am venting out on ASA/Skywest pilots? far from that. If that is how I came across to any Skywest/ASA pilot, then my applogies. . . I am ticked off by two things: 1) Skywest refusal to merge all 3 pilot groups. 2) some of the ignorant posts made by some pilots in regards to XJT and I decided to state some facts. I also wanted to find out how ASA/Skywest work rules compared to ours. Not to say we are better, but simply to compare.
wahtever man . . . I rarely ever actually get involved at any of these forums because usually it turns into some ****ing contest . . . and I suppose that's exactly what I just did . . . fine I'll take what comes my way as a result.
If I can say what I really came here to say in a few words: One seniority list will benefit all of us.
Last edited by TonyWilliams; 08-11-2010 at 03:24 PM.
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