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Old 08-09-2010, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
... ASA is a very profitable company, and if SKW INC kept separate accounts, it wouldn't have taken long for ASA to bank the $130 million. Notice SKW INC has always been very careful to never break down the individual profits of ASA and SkyWest divisions. We have no idea what ASA's actual financial situation is...

If there is no breakdown of individual profits, and you have no idea what ASA's actual financial situation is, then how can you possibly know if ASA is a "very profitable company?"

It is in fact one company. That is what will be at issue.

2010s Jerry Atkin, Skywest Inc: Skywest Airlines, ASA, XJT (Comair?)

1980s Frank Lorenzo, Texas Air Corporation: Texas International, Continental, Eastern, Air Micronesia, New York Air, PeoplesExpress, Frontier, Britt, PBA, Bar Harbor, Rocky Mountain.

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Comparing Atkin and Lorenzo is stupid. You have no idea what you are talking about. Go read a little before you post.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:47 AM
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And have you considered the law of unintended consequences? What happens if you do prevail and force a merger, then ALPA gets voted off the property? The SkyWest pilots voted overwhelmingly (or didn't vote, the same as a no vote) against ALPA last time. Add that to the hundreds of ALPA haters at ASA, and those I'm sure you have, and you never know what might happen. Maybe it's best to just let sleeping dogs lie, and work together to hammer out a great contract with the limited resources we have?
Look, the clear intent of the language is to prevent exactly these type of scenarios. I'm positive the negotiating notes will make that clear. In the end it will be up to a neutral party to decide. Most of us in the profession know that it's better for it that we prevent Inc's blatant attempt to abrogate our har fought legal contract. It's really a shame that it takes two years and and a legal firm to try to get around the terms of employment of honest hard working and dedicated group of people...shameful but I guess people now a days don't care about the individuals anymore and chalk it up to just doing business. It's not like we are evil or are trying to destroy skw, on the contrary. If we are going to be part of Inc, we just one to be part of one big happy successful airline. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

As for unintended consequence, if ALPA is replaced by an independent, that is better than what JA wants to do. In fact, if t means the deal is off, I rather remain independent than to continue on this whipsaw path.
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
I have! And you were not bought by SkyWest, Inc, the holding company, you were bought by Atlantic Southeast Airlines!
The Letter specifically addresses a purchase buy affiliate(s) or assign(s) of a holding company and states taht the conditions apply in those instances as well. Which ASA is and assign and/or affiliate of SkyWest, Inc.

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And fighting this battle to tie it to Inc just because that's where *its rumored* ASA got the money to buy you is a legal stretch. How are you gong to prove where the money came from? ASA is a very profitable company, and if SKW INC kept separate accounts, it wouldn't have taken long for ASA to bank the $130 million. Notice SKW INC has always been very careful to never break down the individual profits of ASA and SkyWest divisions. We have no idea what ASA's actual financial situation is, but I'm betting ASA bought XJT free and clear. SKW would have to have been stupid not to do it that way, and they're not stupid.
It doesn't matter where the money came from if ASA is determined to be an assign or affiliate of SkyWest Inc. ASA profits are reported as (ticker symbol) SKYW profits, it would be hard to disagree with their affiliation. Keeping separate accounts should not work to abrogate the CBA and it's respective Letters.

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SKW asked for these sections to be dropped before, because they preferred to operate you as a third competing subsidiary. Now that they realized that's not possible, they took the second best option. The fact that they backed off last time, but not this time, is proof that they've done their homework. As slaphappy said, ALPA's quack lawyers will be no match for 2 years worth of research by Ford & Harrison's finest (as usual). All you're going to do is drag this out, and exhaust resources we could be using for the contract negotiations.
Or they bought us because the could spend a fraction of the cash they would have previously. Assuming that SKYW only bought ExpressJet because they could figure out a way around the pilots contract is shortsighted. Like I raised before, SkyWest knew that this was going to be an issue and will use it as a piece in negotiations.

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And have you considered the law of unintended consequences? What happens if you do prevail and force a merger, then ALPA gets voted off the property? The SkyWest pilots voted overwhelmingly (or didn't vote, the same as a no vote) against ALPA last time. Add that to the hundreds of ALPA haters at ASA, and those I'm sure you have, and you never know what might happen. Maybe it's best to just let sleeping dogs lie, and work together to hammer out a great contract with the limited resources we have?
I know Murphy and his Laws well. There are risks in any business situation. This is one I can fully accept.

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Old 08-09-2010, 01:49 PM
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I already made a wager with a friend over this topic. We bet $100 bucks to the winners charity that all three lists will merge or be planned to merge within 18 months of the announcement. I think it will happen and he disagrees.

Theres a lot of strong opinions on here and a lot of charities who could use the cash... just a thought.
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
If there is no breakdown of individual profits, and you have no idea what ASA's actual financial situation is, then how can you possibly know if ASA is a "very profitable company?"
ASA has always been profitable. And the proof now is how much SkyWest Inc's balance sheet has improved since they bought us.
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
ASA has always been profitable. And the proof now is how much SkyWest Inc's balance sheet has improved since they bought us.
Specifically, to what balance sheet improvements do you refer?
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Originally Posted by waflyboy
Specifically, to what balance sheet improvements do you refer?
Google is your friend. All of Inc's profit statements can be found online. I'm not your personal research librarian.
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Google is your friend. All of Inc's profit statements can be found online. I'm not your personal research librarian.
Sorry if I offended you. I was curious of your analysis, that's all. As a person who's familiar with the compilation and analysis of financial statements, I wanted to know how you drew that conclusion.

In my opinion, it's probably not possible to draw a reasonable conclusion on ASAs performance from the combined financial statements.

Can you defend your assertion?
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We're getting off the topic, but look at the rate of SkyWest Inc's profits increasing/cash on hand before they purchased ASA and after...
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