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Old 08-04-2010, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
To be completely honest, there are lawyers who say what SKW did is legal, by having "ASA" or whatever holding company they created buy us far below our value, and then there are lawyers that believe a "parent company" is a parent company and all pilots need to be integrated, can't hide behind some superficial "holding company", I would imagine it would depend on a judge, however a judge is also able to look at where the company was headed too, so you just don't know

Believe me, the email chain among the MEC members is like rapid fire, we are shooting across ideas, complete integration of XJT, ASA, and SKW is not out of the question, just trying to look at it from the legal aspect and what needs to be done to make that happen, or how to prevent SKW from just merging ASA and XJT. Truth be told I don't know all the answers but we are perusing them.

If you think we are going to just sit back and watch SKW rape and pillage XJT and merge whats left with ASA, no way no how , torches standing by
I'm sorry but this and only this, is what everyone is looking to hear about. That entire email is useless without the one sentence that says "we are forcing the scope issue and will be fighting for all three." All it talked about was ASA / XJT, meanwhile 2500 pilots are going, "what about SKW????"

You said we're shooting across ideas and a merger between xjt/asa/skw is not out of the question. It shouldn't be. In fact it should be the other way around, it should be....we upheld scope it will be one list, but 2 lists is not out of the question as skw is trying to do. Instead it's two lists, and we're trying to get it to one. This is a violation of our scope and the idea that there are shells, INC's, and multiple holding companies should prove that this is the exact scenario that the scope is written to protect against. It's anecdotally identical to the "scope" of the language itself.

Thx for the info though, seems the only place xjt guys can get info is on a forum these days.
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishfreighter
HILARIOUS! Regional pilots arguing over "career expectations."

PRICELESS.
What are you talking about? [edit:delete name calling] It's all about upholding XJT's contract which will prevent quotes like yours. I'm assuming you were never a regional pilot since you think it's laughable that we're trying to make a merger right. Please let us know how we can go from zero to Atlantis Captain like you did.

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Old 08-04-2010, 02:39 PM
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I'm sorry but this and only this, is what everyone is looking to hear about. That entire email is useless without the one sentence that says "we are forcing the scope issue and will be fighting for all three." All it talked about was ASA / XJT, meanwhile 2500 pilots are going, "what about SKW????"

You said we're shooting across ideas and a merger between xjt/asa/skw is not out of the question. It shouldn't be. In fact it should be the other way around, it should be....we upheld scope it will be one list, but 2 lists is not out of the question as skw is trying to do. Instead it's two lists, and we're trying to get it to one. This is a violation of our scope and the idea that there are shells, INC's, and multiple holding companies should prove that this is the exact scenario that the scope is written to protect against. It's anecdotally identical to the "scope" of the language itself.

Thx for the info though, seems the only place xjt guys can get info is on a forum these days.

Phones on .
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:40 PM
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If one list can't be accomplished then contract language that maintains the current ratio of ASA/XJT to SKW so that one is not grown of shrunk at the expense of the other.
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Xjetter
There isn't a XJT pilot that wants to fly those 700/900 for the same pay as the 50. Its all about QOL for us. I hope you guys value the same. We are all in it together.

Lets build the best contract the regional industry has ever seen!
ASA pilots do not fly the 700/900 for the same rates as the 200! Not sure where you got that idea. The rates are quite different.
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Old 08-04-2010, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Washout
If one list can't be accomplished then contract language that maintains the current ratio of ASA/XJT to SKW so that one is not grown of shrunk at the expense of the other.
May I suggest Section 1 of the MAG CBA (recognition, scope, successorship and transfer of assets)?

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Old 08-04-2010, 02:59 PM
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I hated when the media kept say the Delta NW "merger".
Really, you "hated" it. Because it affected you how exactly? Strike one [edit: delete flamebait]

Delta BOUGHT NW they did not merge with them.
How much did DAL pay for NWA? I'll give you a hint......ZERO It was a stock swap, Mr. I have no idea what I am talking about. Strike two


Oh Yeah since when has ASA had a bad reputation. IF we are so bad why are we about to be the biggest regional in the country.
Now that is something to be proud of. Whip cream on dog crap. Strike three, [edit: delete flamebait]

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Old 08-04-2010, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Truman_Sparks
ASA pilots do not fly the 700/900 for the same rates as the 200! Not sure where you got that idea. The rates are quite different.
He was meaning ASA's 700/900 pay compared to XJT's 50 seat pay.
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:42 PM
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yes....it looks like asa's 70/90 capt rates are about the same as xjt's 50 rates. However, asa's 70/90 FO rates are indeed a couple bucks more then xjt's 50 FO rates.

Curious about your (XJT) good contract? what is your min day credit? what is your deadhead credit? What is your duty rig? If someone could post that info...and others like it...that would be very helpful.

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Old 08-04-2010, 03:46 PM
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what is your min day credit? what is your deadhead credit? What is your duty rig? If someone could post that info...and others like it...that would be very helpful.

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2 hours, if a segment is flown, 3 hours for any 1 calendar day overnight (such as 30:00 in XYZ) and minimum 15 hours for a 4-day trip

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