RockyBoy

I think you would also be the 4th largest pilot group in ALPA which comes with some clout. I think it will be DAL, UAL/CAL, FDX, then SKYW if you could all be on one list. I wonder how Jerry will feel about that?

CaptainNameless

No. You are mis-reading this language. The 9 months refers to going to arbitration for a CBA (a common contract). This assumes the seniority list merger has already been settled. The seniority merger has 12 months to be agreed upon between the pilot groups themselves. If no agreement is settled after 12 months of talking internally within the pilot groups, then the list problem gets sent to arbitration. They are 2 completely different issues. The 3rd issue is XJT MEC will file for one list among the 3 companies, not just between ASA and XJT, or they may need to practice hiding their badges from view for the rest of their careers.

The language we have for single pilot list under the holding company will end up in court, I am sure. It has always been the intent of XJT pilots to avoid a whipsaw set-up. If our contract and ALPA legal cannot make our contract stick on this, then we may as well just give up on the concept of CBAs altoghether. SkyWest will have to prove that they are not really the company buying XJT, ASA is. Seems like a long stretch of the truth to me.


Also, for everybody saying XJT has the best vacation yada yada, well just remember a new joint CBA will be negotiated and freaking EVERYTHING in that new CBA is up for rewriting. May keep a lot of it, may lose some. We'll see.

rickair7777

SKW does not see that as "killing them"...they have been resigned to the fact that a union is coming eventually for several years now.

The new rule does not count non-votes as yes votes...it only votes which are actually cast (yes or no).

Previously non-votes counted as no votes. All the rule does is remove the apathetic from the equation (as it should be). But that does not mean all the non-voters from last time were apathetic...for many a non-vote was simply a no vote, and I'm sure those folks would actually call in to vote if that is required (there are some apathetic types, but not 66% of the pilot group).

Captain Tony

PBSG on his chest: *THUMP* *THUMP* *THUMP*

Captain Tony

The ASA MEC was informed, and placed under a confidentiality agreement until the announcement was official. I know this first hand. So it wouldn't surprise me if a handshake agreement already took place regarding the integration. There's no way Jerry Atkin would do this without promises from the pilot unions to play nice. He would never have another US Airways.

Jayhawk 023

We had one near the fraternity in school...we called it the Kentacohut....

dojetdriver

Like I said before, I consider this to be the more likely scenario. And now putting on my foil hat and going all conspiracy theorist here; I wouldn't doubt that some of that contract survey stuff that had such an apathetic turnout was geared more towards a merge/buyout than actual talks with our management. At least the PBS sections anyway.

Not likely, the reasons have been already covered

If they haven't already.

Well, you would think that it would carry some clout. But it's been proven that the "regionals" aren't exactly on the forefront of ALPA national's priorities. Yeah, sure, there's pretty and glossy pictures in the ALPA magazine of Duane showing up at the COMAIR strike for a photo op, then leaving quickly, as well as the lip service from the current guy, and the "FPD task force" which I haven't exactly heard much from lately. etc.

But consider this; when you look beyond the sheer numbers, at which pay scales is the 2ish% more? The legacy/freight, or the "regionals"? 'Nuff said.

flymeswa

Seems like SKW already has a CPA arranged w/ CAL, and plans on shifting the flying from XJT to SKW when it happens. (Link above to SKW site)

C5Pilot

I think we are saying the same thing, with $800 Million Cash on hand Skywest got a bargain deal on 274 ERJ 145's to operate. XJT was valued at over a billion dollars 5 years ago and as they said on the call, it is an extremely high quality ops with a huge footprint at CAL that is worth a lot more than $133 mil! They claim they want to grow us and re-fleat us over the next 10 years, interesting! They have a new CPA with CAL that will survive the merger with UAL and CAL is paying for some cost, it is 5 years of rate protection, 10 years total with replacement of jets by CAL/UAL, I am guessing XJT goes CRJ in the next 10 years. Refleat is a priority, all off the call! They are well aware of the SCOPE Clause and are going to address it in integration????

JoeyMeatballs

Handshake agreement with whom? I was notified of this deal 3 weeks ago and bound by a confidentiality agreement as well. There is a lot that needs to be looked through before the deal is "done". There is a potential to have a very strong unified pilot group, it's only a matter of time until Skywest becomes ALPA.

As a member of the XJT MEC I can assure you no one on our end made a "deal" with anyone. If this deal does not look to a be a good one for XJT pilots, you can bet your ass every single one of us on the MEC will do whatever we can to change that..........