higney85

First- the seniority integration won't matter whether you take the employment opportunity or not. I say that, but an integration process hasn't been developed yet so the only aspect that could change by coming is longevity. All that aside there is the ability to bypass and the offer for 60 will extend to all furloughs, just the first 60 in seniority that want it will get it. 9E is still working on a contract and reserve was a huge issue in the failed TA1. I will never try and forecast a TA but at this point the company cannot bring airframes over without seniority worked out, and the company has wanted dual qual; this purchase by the holding company makes that abundantly clear as to why.

Blueskies21

Higney, at this point it's all speculation. I'm aware we can bypass and keep our mesaba seniority, I'm just keenly aware that if we bypass we may damage our final seniority.

Lets say we go to pinnacle and get a pinnacle seniority number of 1160 as one of the first called (example number only) in the mean time pinnacle hires 60 so the final number on pinnacles list is 1220. (still just an example) The SLI is completed and furloughed pilots are stapled from 1220 on down. If we had taken a job when pinnacle was hiring we would have a pinnacle number above what our Mesaba number would have been.

For clarity lets say there's a pilot Bob. Pinnacle Bob gets 1160 but Pinnacle Bobs Mesaba seniority gets stapled at 1221. So now Pinnacle Bob has essentially two numbers on the list, one which is because he took a job at Pinnacle and one that represents his original seniority. If it's only Pinnacle list you are considering maybe he only lost 60 numbers, if the Mesaba furloughs are stapled below all active pilots on both other lists then you stand to lose 150 numbers by defering a recall. I really don't believe if a guy has a Pinnacle number they are going to force him back to his Mesaba number, but if he doesn't have a Pinnacle number then I guess they wouldn't be changing anything.

I know that seems like a really convoluted example but it didn't seem like you understand the choice furloughs may be facing.

You are more than welcome to say it won't go that way, and I sincerely hope you are correct but it would be nothing more than speculation and it's a calculated risk.

A large portion of Mesaba's furloughs are already twice furloughed so we're not spring chicken for how things can work out. Airlines can say whatever they please about whatever they please and you won't know the truth until it actually happens.

Which is why in the end, it all comes down to wait and see.

For the record, I hope I'm wrong about all of this and I'll be nothing but pleasantly surprised by the final outcome. I was pleasantly surprised by the concept of actually rehiring the furloughs instead of off the street regardless of what my personal decision in that matter might one day be.

higney85

For any sli issues the MOU is designed to use the XJ original list regardless of a pilot taking the employment opportunity.

FlyJSH

Isn't that everything in this industry?

Avroman

According to what I have been reading from the union, the XJ furloughs that take a recall will still be integrated based on their original XJ seniority no matter how long they put in at another place. You will not get credit for ANY time served away from XJ for purposes of integration. So wether you stay or recall you will be integrated exactly the same, so they say now.

Blueskies21

If that's the case there's less of an issue. The guys that don't currently have jobs will go and the guys that have found other things won't and our seniority will shake out the same.

My problem is in the airlines there is a LOT promises about how things will go but the truth is you can't believe it until you see it. Or are those 15 900's still coming ?

Kellwolf

True, but it's at all levels. Senior Delta guys thought they'd still have an okay retirement 10 years ago. You never know if you've made the right choice in this industry until you're in the ground. It used to be until you retire, but even that's a crap shoot now.....

C152PIC

So where does Pinnacle put you up at for training??

8Lpearlchannel

At the Homestead Suites right down the road from Corporate Headquarters in Memphis. We haven't had a new hire class since '08, so this may have changed. The Colgan folks are allegedly put up in another hotel in downtown Memphis.

If it is the Homestead, this place is a dump. We had a roach problem in our room. You will also hear stories of professional women soliciting services by knocking door-to-door. Then there's the story of the dead pimp.

"Breakfast" in the "crew lounge" consisted of a variety of cold muffins, sticky pastries, bruised mushy fruit, juice, and coffee.

There are washing machines and dryers.

There is a fitness center across the street from the hotel. The front desk at the hotel will give you a free pass to use.

Your sim partner will be your roomie. If you want to room and do the sim with someone you know, let the front desk know upon check in.

If you are bringing a vehicle, keep an eye out. A classmate had his SUV broken into and a GPS stolen. The hotel is located in a corporate office subdivision area. The surrounding neighborhood is not very safe. I would not recommend attempting to walk anywhere (there's nothing really around anyways).

The hotel van driver will take you to/from the airport, Corporate Education Center (CEC)/headquarters, and FlightSafety. If they are not busy, they will also take you to a Super Wal-Mart about 10 min away or as far as Beale Street.

Also note: if you require a pick-up at the airport, the hotel shuttle (which was a plain white van with no markings) will pick you up on the UPPER DEPARTURE LEVEL. When I arrived, I sat outside the lower baggage claim level for 45 min waiting for the van to arrive when finally I asked the front desk to clarify the location to be picked up. Silly me to just assume that I'd be picked up under the sign that said "Ground Transportation - HOTELS".

Avroman

That Homestead sounds actually a tiny bit worse than the one Mesaba used in Minny, Thankfully our hotel comittee got it banned from use. We now stay either at the towne place or staybridge suites off I-35.