F9/rah Sli?
08-03-2010, 07:06 AM
#51
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: Downwind, headed straight for the rocks, shanghaied aboard the ship of fools.
Posts: 1,128
Burn of the week?? I think everyone seems to forget to easily that those guys stood up for what was right and tried to preserve everyones careers. It still makes me sick when I'm flying and am told to follow the "Midwest" aircraft. It was the teamsters that gladly stepped in and started flying this 100 err 99 seat aircraft.
As for the sli, I personally think it will take years before we ever see a rah pilot on the f9 cert. Let's just pray we are not single carrier status so we can preserve what's right for our f9 first officers.
As for the sli, I personally think it will take years before we ever see a rah pilot on the f9 cert. Let's just pray we are not single carrier status so we can preserve what's right for our f9 first officers.
08-03-2010, 07:08 AM
#52
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: B756 FO
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Burn of the week?? I think everyone seems to forget to easily that those guys stood up for what was right and tried to preserve everyones careers. It still makes me sick when I'm flying and am told to follow the "Midwest" aircraft. It was the teamsters that gladly stepped in and started flying this 100 err 99 seat aircraft.
As for the sli, I personally think it will take years before we ever see a rah pilot on the f9 cert. Let's just pray we are not single carrier status so we can preserve what's right for our f9 first officers.
As for the sli, I personally think it will take years before we ever see a rah pilot on the f9 cert. Let's just pray we are not single carrier status so we can preserve what's right for our f9 first officers.
Finally, what is this nonsense you guys want to be single carrier status under RAH?!? That is suicide for your pilot group! I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but have you guys not paid attention to what happened to Midwest?!? You seem to know what happend, but it obviously is not registering that your group could and most likely will be in the same shoes as Midwest. If I am not mistaken, in just a few short years RAH is due to get C series aircraft that are just about the size of your Airbii correct? Now I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you should have a good idea who will be flying those aircraft if you are not on single carrier status...
Last edited by SUX4U; 08-03-2010 at 03:11 PM.
08-03-2010, 07:21 AM
#53
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: E-170
Posts: 842
i feel that my coment has been interpreted wrongly. I am looking foward to getting the SLI completed and also having the midwest, frontier, and lynx pilots all combining with the RAH pilots to help make Republic a better place to work at. I will not accept the attitude of some on this board that they are some how better than me because of what company they work for. I will also not accept countless attacks from people who have no idea what is going on in our company or blame any republic pilot for what has happend with midwest. None of us signed off on it just as none of the pilots were excited about getting 175's for usair as they were parking 737's. Hopefully this debacle will teach people that it is more important to negotiate a tight scope clause that doesnt come down to if the word "connect" is painted on the airplane or not. This new RAH airline hopefully will be the first airline where every pilot from the largest airplane to the smallest will be on one seniority list. However that list is comprised of it doesn't really matter. Any other result will be a trmendous mistake.
08-03-2010, 08:06 AM
#54
30W
Joined APC: May 2008
Position: Heavies GE
Posts: 23
Burn of the week?? I think everyone seems to forget to easily that those guys stood up for what was right and tried to preserve everyones careers. It still makes me sick when I'm flying and am told to follow the "Midwest" aircraft. It was the teamsters that gladly stepped in and started flying this 100 err 99 seat aircraft.
As for the sli, I personally think it will take years before we ever see a rah pilot on the f9 cert. Let's just pray we are not single carrier status so we can preserve what's right for our f9 first officers.
As for the sli, I personally think it will take years before we ever see a rah pilot on the f9 cert. Let's just pray we are not single carrier status so we can preserve what's right for our f9 first officers.
Why don't you ask your fellow Frontier puke that was trying to jumpseat on my flight to NRT a few months ago on some simple questions we had for him.
You were bankrupt when you were bought!
Who the heck finance your bankruptcy? Why do you think the NWA/Delta folks are ticked of about this. It's our money that finance your company through RAH.
You signed an LOA to circumnavigate another Union's scope-RAH just to get out of bankruptcy. Pathetic Frontier folks.
You think you will fly those Airbus and bigger planes just because you signed that stinking LOA. What's RAH scope clause before you signed it?
Yeah, yup. Just like your frontier puke . . can't get a straight answer. You think your contract is better. It's nowhere close to us nor to the ones you wanted to buy you-SWA. And to compare your contract to RAH-its pathetic. They are a regional feed. You are a regional airline that just happens to fly an Airbus.
Circumnavigating another Union's scope clause just to get out of bankruptcy. . . the Delta and especially the NWA folks will never forget.
What tool you folks are.
08-03-2010, 08:17 AM
#55
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,269
i feel that my coment has been interpreted wrongly. I am looking foward to getting the SLI completed and also having the midwest, frontier, and lynx pilots all combining with the RAH pilots to help make Republic a better place to work at. I will not accept the attitude of some on this board that they are some how better than me because of what company they work for. I will also not accept countless attacks from people who have no idea what is going on in our company or blame any republic pilot for what has happend with midwest. None of us signed off on it just as none of the pilots were excited about getting 175's for usair as they were parking 737's.
08-03-2010, 08:46 AM
#57
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: ERJ 170
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Ok, we are drifting here but this is just something that make zero sense to me.
Assume for a minute that the NMB decides we are a single carrier, and then the IBT prevails in the representation drive. We are all IBT members, and there is already an IBT CBA in place. A combined/almagamated CBA will result using the existing IBT CBA.
If the IBT had continued their Section 6 negotiations and improved ANY section of the current CBA, we would all benefit from it in the combined CBA. Instead, we are stuck with the current POS CBA.
No workrules.
No duty limits.
No retirement.
No cancellation pay.
No training or vacation conflict drop protection.
Article 7 Vacancies is such an abomination that I just can't continue to read the rest of the CBA.
Why the IBT is sitting on their arses and not negotiating is simply mindboggling. The company is actually equally surprised, and pleased, at the IBT's complete lack of planning and representation.
If this scenario plays out, will the IBT then restart the Section 6 negotiations? Congrats, you just wasted two plus years at the table. That is two additional years of working under the same workrules and pay.
Assume for a minute that the NMB decides we are a single carrier, and then the IBT prevails in the representation drive. We are all IBT members, and there is already an IBT CBA in place. A combined/almagamated CBA will result using the existing IBT CBA.
If the IBT had continued their Section 6 negotiations and improved ANY section of the current CBA, we would all benefit from it in the combined CBA. Instead, we are stuck with the current POS CBA.
No workrules.
No duty limits.
No retirement.
No cancellation pay.
No training or vacation conflict drop protection.
Article 7 Vacancies is such an abomination that I just can't continue to read the rest of the CBA.
Why the IBT is sitting on their arses and not negotiating is simply mindboggling. The company is actually equally surprised, and pleased, at the IBT's complete lack of planning and representation.
If this scenario plays out, will the IBT then restart the Section 6 negotiations? Congrats, you just wasted two plus years at the table. That is two additional years of working under the same workrules and pay.
08-03-2010, 09:43 AM
#59
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 523
What the IBT is doing is only so the IBT can hang on as long as possible before they are removed. They aren't proceeding in the best interest of the pilots.
What would have been best for your pilots would have been to amalgamate the IBT and ALPA contract asap after the Midwest/Republic merger was announced. You would have been able to improve your contract and would have had pay rates for the 190. After the Frontier deal was announced then amalgamate the now IBT/ALPA contract with the FAPA contract. Two opportunities to improve your life NOW verses waiting to negotiate in section 6. After Amalgamations are finished now go to section 6.
What they are doing now makes no sense. If we get a final SLI ruling today it is useless because we have no direction on how to implement it. Lets say the Lynx's guys make out well and there is a need for pilots and a senior lynx guy can hold a 190 Captain slot. Who does he pay union dues to? Who's contract does he follow?
If you think the IBT is fighting for you, you are being a little naive. They are only fighting to get as many deposits of union dues as possible before they are thrown out. Best guess is they have cost you 9 months of better wages and some real work rules.
08-03-2010, 10:59 AM
#60
Che Guevara
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Elimination of Gene Sowell, bringing in Doug Turner, starting a new local with new bylaws. All of these are for the benefit of the pilot group as a whole.
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