F9/rah Sli?
#31
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Have you looked at RAH year end filing. Those 717's were returned early and RAH paid a penalty to return them early, they were not returned because the leases were up. They were returned because they were replaced. Why do you think people at Midwest are so angry. Boeing wanted to cut the lease rates in half, they did not want those aircraft back. They would have been much cheaper to operate than the E170/190. But they could not get rid of the pilots unless they sent the 717 back. That's why so many have ill feelings.
Everybody takes a chance on their career in the hopes that their airline will survive. When Midwest goes down the way it did(25 years), not because of being bankrupt, but because of greed between CEOs who are corrupt, that tends to stir the emotions a bit.
#32
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#33
Have you looked at RAH year end filing. Those 717's were returned early and RAH paid a penalty to return them early, they were not returned because the leases were up. They were returned because they were replaced. Why do you think people at Midwest are so angry. Boeing wanted to cut the lease rates in half, they did not want those aircraft back. They would have been much cheaper to operate than the E170/190. But they could not get rid of the pilots unless they sent the 717 back. That's why so many have ill feelings.
Everybody takes a chance on their career in the hopes that their airline will survive. When Midwest goes down the way it did(25 years), not because of being bankrupt, but because of greed between CEOs who are corrupt, that tends to stir the emotions a bit.
Everybody takes a chance on their career in the hopes that their airline will survive. When Midwest goes down the way it did(25 years), not because of being bankrupt, but because of greed between CEOs who are corrupt, that tends to stir the emotions a bit.
#34
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BB is a POS. I think he looked at the Midwest fleet and pilot group as a liability. Getting the Midwest aircraft off property prior to SLI benefited the company in several ways. His decision was great for the bottom line but terrible for the Midwest pilots and I'm sure he would love to see a small percentage of that pilot group join the party after SLI. As I said before the true enemy is management.
So to answer you directly the reason I accused you of slanderous flame bait is that Midwest did bring aircraft to the operation but BB parked them ASAP. The reason I called out Rat is that he is crazy enough to think the RAH pilots were in on the deal with Management. He has not accepted the fact that RAH management does what they want and listen to no one else that dissents. Just go ask Sean Menke what he thinks about BB and company. I believe he cast his vote on the RAH management team when he left.
#35
BB accelerated the return of those leased aircraft after RAH purchased Midwest. Some were already on the way back before acquisition but BB paid penalties to return them faster.
BB is a POS. I think he looked at the Midwest fleet and pilot group as a liability. Getting the Midwest aircraft off property prior to SLI benefited the company in several ways. His decision was great for the bottom line but terrible for the Midwest pilots and I'm sure he would love to see a small percentage of that pilot group join the party after SLI. As I said before the true enemy is management.
So to answer you directly the reason I accused you of slanderous flame bait is that Midwest did bring aircraft to the operation but BB parked them ASAP. The reason I called out Rat is that he is crazy enough to think the RAH pilots were in on the deal with Management. He has not accepted the fact that RAH management does what they want and listen to no one else that dissents. Just go ask Sean Menke what he thinks about BB and company. I believe he cast his vote on the RAH management team when he left.
BB is a POS. I think he looked at the Midwest fleet and pilot group as a liability. Getting the Midwest aircraft off property prior to SLI benefited the company in several ways. His decision was great for the bottom line but terrible for the Midwest pilots and I'm sure he would love to see a small percentage of that pilot group join the party after SLI. As I said before the true enemy is management.
So to answer you directly the reason I accused you of slanderous flame bait is that Midwest did bring aircraft to the operation but BB parked them ASAP. The reason I called out Rat is that he is crazy enough to think the RAH pilots were in on the deal with Management. He has not accepted the fact that RAH management does what they want and listen to no one else that dissents. Just go ask Sean Menke what he thinks about BB and company. I believe he cast his vote on the RAH management team when he left.
#37
The Midwest guys (ALPA) did the same thing that the RAH guys (IBT) did. Nothing... There was nothing that could be done or said to save the likes of Rat and his buddies at Midwest. It was and continues to be an awful situation. If Rat wants some kind of official press release from the RAH union stating that they do agree that its a horrible situation for the Midwest guys then I'm sure they could work something out but to most its pretty obvious that no one wanted this to happen. Rat are you really saying that if the IBT came out and said they didn't agree with it but there was nothing they could do then you wouldn't hold any grudges?
#38
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I guess the Midwest pilots by NOT taking the very small amount of money offered to us to fly those aircraft, the very same aircraft RAH currently flies for the exact small amount of money. The Midwest group did not want to continue the race to food stamps for all, so yes we took a stand. That's why all those jobs were outsourced to RAH. Because they are willing to do others flying for much less.
I wonder, would you call that job action.
#39
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I guess the Midwest pilots by NOT taking the very small amount of money offered to us to fly those aircraft, the very same aircraft RAH currently flies for the exact small amount of money. The Midwest group did not want to continue the race to food stamps for all, so yes we took a stand. That's why all those jobs were outsourced to RAH. Because they are willing to do others flying for much less.
I wonder, would you call that job action.
I wonder, would you call that job action.
I sincerely wish you nothing but the best and that you find MUCH greener pastures than what BB is providing here.
#40
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Bear...you seem like a reasonable guy. You state that we are "willing" to do others flying for much less. As you are no doubt aware, we don't have a choice who we do flying for. At times on here, people were basically suggesting that we do an illegal job action. That obviously wasn't going to happen. We're in our 3rd year of negotiations and are/will be desperately trying to get a contract that reflects the changes that BB has done with this "regional" airline. Were you and your fellow Midwest pilots royally screwed in this situation? Absolutely. Do you have every right to be ****ed? Absolutely.
I sincerely wish you nothing but the best and that you find MUCH greener pastures than what BB is providing here.
I sincerely wish you nothing but the best and that you find MUCH greener pastures than what BB is providing here.
What is frustrating is all the talk of "just wait til we negotiate our next contract, then you'll see." I have heard RAH pilots talk about how they have fought the good fight, but I have never seen positive results.
The only conclusion I can come up with is you are waiting for the Midwest and Frontier pilots to show up and fight your fight for you. I sure hope we are treated fairly during the SLI.
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