sublime259

"AMR doesn't say if Eagle is profitable."

Key word in the entire article...to those of you who aren't familiar with AMR, think of it as one big money laundering biz. We make money, only for it to be hidden elsewhere (ie $100 bags of ice) by AMR. It's one big shell game. AE's not for sale

ugflyer

If you don't know, now you know!

eaglefly

As stated above AMR looked at selling Eagle a couple of years ago, but all the interested parties balked at the terms. It was shelved. 2-3 weeks ago AMR reannounced a new effort to sell again concurrent with a change in leadership, most likely for that purpose.

Your articel may be nnew, but the news is a few weeks old. Perhaps, they got wind of the DAL sale weeks ago before it was announced and didn't want to appear like the followers they are.

eaglefly

About 2700 pilts.

SEN. # 1 about 29 years
SEN #50 about 25 years
SEN #100 about 24 years
SEN #200 about 23 yeras
SEN #400 about 21 years
SEN #600 about 19 years
SEN #800 about 14 years
SEN #1000 about 12 years (junior lineholders........working many holidays, etc.)
SEN #1200 about 11 years
SEN #1400 about 10 years (most junior jet captain)
SEN #1800 about 6 years
SEN #2000 about 4 years
SEN #2400 about 3 years

*500 pilots with at least 20 years of service.

I'll understand if you need a minute to steady yourself..............

chignutsak

Hmmm, senior highly paid workforce. Old, economically obsolete aircraft. Pivotal contract battle (scope) approaching. Poor management/labor relations. Where do I sign up?

Captain Tony

Oh here we go. Pilots destroying each other like dogs in Michael Vick's basement. And management laughing all the way to the bank. Stay Classy.

Captain Tony

This is EXACTLY why SkyWest isn't interested. If they wanted to take these issues on, they'd have bought Comair in Delta's fire sale.

SkyWest Inc is only interested in assets and flying contracts. Not airlines, especially senior ones.

chignutsak

I was facetiously referring to a buyer, not a pilot.

eaglefly

Agreed, but few are facing the flipside to this philosophy.

Airlines like Skywest want to build a carrier on cheap labor, so maximum profit goes to those other than labor (espescially pilots). This sounds great until one realizes that if successful, it will only proliferate the larger RJ's into more of the domestic market, forcing mainlines to contract, thus producing less "career" positions and more "jobs". This philosophy is why I say in 10 years the best airline "job" for most pilots (9 out of 10) will be the 75K/year (2020 dollars) PBS based existance that must be begged for every 4-5 years (which insures pilot compensation stays in the gutter).

I find it confusing that so many pilots here trumpet the "Mesa" style upgrade mills (AKA "junior workforce") because they think that is what's going to get them to a major, but refuse to accept that this mentality will actually produce the opposite. Most regional pilots are young and are only concerned with immeadiate gratification (1000 RJ PIC) and then think their troubles are over. None want to build a regional into career status with eventual compensation like Eagle. Eagle doesn't pay really anymore then other regionals, but was a decent place to stay and that's why most did. Yes, Eagle is a dying icon........a once proud "career" company, but market forces and pilots attitiudes like you point out will insure there will be no "career" regionals in the future.............only a conglomeration of Mesa type carriers each undercuting each other over and over.

Mainline pilot jobs will wither on the vine and this will be bad for mainline pilots advancement and thus newhire slot generation, but nothing like the horror of future career regional pilots not having a career, but an unpleasant "commuter" job in perpituity. 10-15% might snag a few of the major airline positions that do become available, but these airlines will shrink and themselves become more effecient (even PBS), so again 8/9 out of 10 current regional pilots will be screwed, especially considering the military and corporate pilots looking for a home. If regionals were more career oriented in compensation and treatment, there would be fewer of them eating off mainline pilots plates and also making it better for regonal pilots, which is better then the almost certain future of 95 seat airliners being flown by peanut-eaters and kept in scheduling cages.

But hey................there WILL likely be a shiny 95 seat jet in most of their futures, even if they get paid and treated like crap. I guess it's better then 35K at Lowes. Many here at Eagle know what will eventually come as we too will be the eventual victims of market forces, whipsawing, emasculated pilot unions and self-centered pilot philosophy. It's inevitable. Dying icons like Eagle and Comair represent what could have been (and should have been) made of regional carriers.........a CAREER option, not an upgrade mill. An upgrade mill wouldn't be bad, IF there was a place for most to go, but this very philosophy will insure a "career" for most it will remain a carrot forever out of reach. As far as the dinosaurs of Eagle are concerned, until that time arrives for us, many of us poor (and scorned) senior types will enjoy the dying days of working for a career regional, getting paid a decent wage and 401(k) ($1/$1 match).........until the all the kids out there help facilitate the industry they so richly deserve, while the unions that suppsedly represent them remain helpless to stop it.

eaglefly

One should look back up at the Eagle list.

Plaenty of angry Eagle pilots with 5 years here P.O'd because their buddy at XYZ is a 5 year captain on a 70-seat jet making $65/hour vs. $40/hour for them. To them, all that's important is "right now". Getting jet PIC time and being able to make the payments on a new 'vette is important for 27 year olds, not what might be in their best interest in 15 years. Pilots are great at flying planes, but pretty stupid in many other ways.

Why do you guys think it's so easy for mangements to take advantage of us so often and so easily ?

We'll never learn..............