WHACKMASTER

Yep. I'm not kidding. You poor, poor bastards. I'd be SOOOOO ****ed!

SuperPilotJesse

A source is generally a good thing to include when making statements like this.

boilerpilot

What is "Parked"?

SlowATRDriver

The title of the thread is misleading. No, the planes are not parked. Talked to a good friend of mine at Pinnacle, and he said NMB didn't release them nor agreed to their terms. It's very disappointing to hear that NMB would side with the management. Again, management wins.

eaglefly

It may be disappointing, but it's predictable, because the NMB is a farce and is controlled by the interests of big business. Pinnacle pilots will remain in pergatory until they capitulate to the needs of their corporate masters.

At least that is what the corporate masters henchmen (NMB) are saying with this action.

It's also a message to other "large" pilot groups out there thinking they'll ever be allowed to strike and cripple the nation..........................it will never happen. It's also another reason why scope is virtually dead. The NMB, courts and politicians will never side with labor on this issue and go against their corporate masters.

Big business is and will always be in the drivers seat. Big brother owns us all, whether we agree or not..........

jsled

Eagle,
care to comment on the recent NMB release of Spirit Airlines? Also, what are your thoughts on the new NMB rule change allowing a simple majority vote to unionize? The ATA SUED to stop the change, but a judge sided with the NMB. The new rule takes effect today. Doesn't sound like the new NMB (with Obama appointed Linda Pachela) is serving its "corporate master".

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/un...le-change.html

Airsupport

This was our last hope. Unfortunatley Spirit is 1/3 the size of pinnacle. Also the spirit strike would only hurt spirit airlines. A pinnacle strike would nearly shut down air service to three or four different cities and a major airline.

eaglefly

Spirit's a small carrier and their shutdown caused minimal inconvienience to the travelling public. Besides, letting them enter self-help is an easy way to reduce some heat about the idea of not allowing airline labor to strike. Doesn't sound like it produced an earth-shattering result either. No "bar" truly raised only the usual "it's better then before and it sets the stage for the NEXT contract", yadda, yadda, yadda...........

The administration needs to be seen as sympathetic to labor (not to be confused with cozy). Unionization theoretically costs corporations more money, but just because one is unionized doesn't mean they'll actually ever be allowed to strike. So it was an easy path to take to give the perception of fairness between business and labor.

The major carriers unions will never be allowed to shut their employer down crippling the nation and further impeding economic interests. A strike at pinnacle would cause major disruption for DAL and thus the country and was considered large enough to do harm, so imagine the thought of a UAL or AA strike...........no way, jose. When it comes to a conflict between airline labor interests and the convienence of the travelling public (taxpayers and voters), politicians (of which the NMB truly listens too) will always go with the public, which is one and the same as their personal interests................it's a no-brainer.

Pinnacle pilots will remain on ice indefinately until either their pilot reps reconsider a stance more in line with company interests -or- their flying is eroded to their new carrier Mesaba slowly, but noticably. At some point, pinnacles pilot union will realize their dilemma and capitulate taking the lesser of two evil routes (a "relaxed" set of goals). The NMB will likely give pinnacle whatever time is necessary to further their interests and increase their leverage.

As far as major airline labor completely shuting down a major carrier (UAL, DAL, AA), that will happen when hell freezes over and I'm afraid the travelling public who vote in the politicians would support the airlines and reward their politicians for not jeopardizing their business travel or visit to aunt patunias for a cheap price.

Thats' the reality, but believe anything you wish.

jsled

I have no idea what is going on over at Pinnacle, but what about the NWA pilot strike of 1998? Were they not able to "shut down a major airline"? Did they not "inconvenience the traveling public"? Oh, it's different now? You just got used to 8 years of "no strikes on my watch". This is a different ballgame. That is the reality.

BoilerUP

Comair's 2001 strike was on GWB's watch...