The Scope of Hope
05-29-2010, 09:16 AM
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The Scope of Hope
in the Aviation Week.com/awst May 24th edition Starting on Page 44 there's a VERY interesting article regarding the Scope clause in the Major Airline Pilot's contracts. Chip Childs of SKYWEST believes they'll be able to crack the scope limit to exceed 75 seats across the board into the 75-125 seat area. He's of the opinion that the Majors might try and loosen the scope clauses and NOT agree to the major pilots having a 76-100 seat payscale. Bill Kessler of ALPAis NOT optimistic that's going to be the case and in fact He and Michael Boyd of the Boyd Group International (Consulting form) believe that Outsourcing has come as far as it's going to go.. This article is VERY interesting reading and It might be interesting to any of you as well.
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05-29-2010, 10:17 AM
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I have no doubt regionals will try to pair up with management and hope for further scope relief. A lot of regionals have a very dim future otherwise. It's tough to make $$ without a fee for departure contract, and so they're desperate for other forms of income.
Rest assured, the pilots of majors and regionals have been forever burned by pilots of the past who relaxed scope. There is a seriously sour taste in our mouths, and further scope relief just flat out will not happen.
Rest assured, the pilots of majors and regionals have been forever burned by pilots of the past who relaxed scope. There is a seriously sour taste in our mouths, and further scope relief just flat out will not happen.
05-29-2010, 11:27 AM
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I have no doubt regionals will try to pair up with management and hope for further scope relief. A lot of regionals have a very dim future otherwise. It's tough to make $$ without a fee for departure contract, and so they're desperate for other forms of income.
Rest assured, the pilots of majors and regionals have been forever burned by pilots of the past who relaxed scope. There is a seriously sour taste in our mouths, and further scope relief just flat out will not happen.
Rest assured, the pilots of majors and regionals have been forever burned by pilots of the past who relaxed scope. There is a seriously sour taste in our mouths, and further scope relief just flat out will not happen.
05-29-2010, 02:17 PM
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UAL and DAL, and the former US Air ALPA MECs have led the panic'd retreat from scope. It will be key to see if UAL and DAL pilots continue to cower in front of their managements, or decide to try and undo the damage that they've caused the pilot profession. UAL pilots can try and make themselves relevant again by supporting Continental's pilots in demanding Continental's scope restrictions.
One thing for sure. The management binge of the 50 seat high cost jet is rapidly coming to an end, and outfits like American Eagle and the Express carriers with no or few 70 seaters are rapidly approaching the end of the runway with no brakes.
One thing for sure. The management binge of the 50 seat high cost jet is rapidly coming to an end, and outfits like American Eagle and the Express carriers with no or few 70 seaters are rapidly approaching the end of the runway with no brakes.
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05-29-2010, 04:34 PM
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UAL and DAL, and the former US Air ALPA MECs have led the panic'd retreat from scope. It will be key to see if UAL and DAL pilots continue to cower in front of their managements, or decide to try and undo the damage that they've caused the pilot profession. US Airways can try and make themselves relevant again by supporting Continental's pilots in demanding Continental's scope restrictions.
One thing for sure. The management binge of the 50 seat high cost jet is rapidly coming to an end, and outfits like American Eagle and the Express carriers with no or few 70 seaters are rapidly approaching the end of the runway with no brakes.
One thing for sure. The management binge of the 50 seat high cost jet is rapidly coming to an end, and outfits like American Eagle and the Express carriers with no or few 70 seaters are rapidly approaching the end of the runway with no brakes.
05-29-2010, 06:14 PM
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Actually, there is. It's called a 70-100 seat airplane with much better efficiency and not having to throw pax off the airplane for performance limitations.
That is why AA wants to kill scope in the current contract negotiations. They want to replace all the 50 seat planes with 76 seat ones. And unlike Anderson's company-union DALPA, the AA pilots are telling the company to pound sand.
A few 50 seat jets may stay around, but only in a few markets where the yield can support a very high seat-mile cost.
That is why AA wants to kill scope in the current contract negotiations. They want to replace all the 50 seat planes with 76 seat ones. And unlike Anderson's company-union DALPA, the AA pilots are telling the company to pound sand.
A few 50 seat jets may stay around, but only in a few markets where the yield can support a very high seat-mile cost.
05-29-2010, 06:51 PM
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Actually, there is. It's called a 70-100 seat airplane with much better efficiency and not having to throw pax off the airplane for performance limitations.
That is why AA wants to kill scope in the current contract negotiations. They want to replace all the 50 seat planes with 76 seat ones. And unlike Anderson's company-union DALPA, the AA pilots are telling the company to pound sand.
A few 50 seat jets may stay around, but only in a few markets where the yield can support a very high seat-mile cost.
That is why AA wants to kill scope in the current contract negotiations. They want to replace all the 50 seat planes with 76 seat ones. And unlike Anderson's company-union DALPA, the AA pilots are telling the company to pound sand.
A few 50 seat jets may stay around, but only in a few markets where the yield can support a very high seat-mile cost.
As a regional/outsourced/contract pilot, I would like nothing better if my company put in an order to replace jets with Q300/400's, and the majors flew jets.
Am I the only one who finds it amusing when airline management says they can't profitably service smaller markets with mainline costs AND keep ticket prices low...when SWA and JetBlue do it every day?...(and most of their employees are happy to be there)
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