flynavyj

one of the nice and interesting things about king air's is they're certified for one pilot operation. However, many companies use insurance which requires them to use two pilots. Knowing this, most airlines will accept SIC time in a king air even though it's a single pilot airplane. There are some other turbine twins that'll get the same respect, for smaller twins however, it may be frowned upon a little more.

XtremeF150

I might be mistaken, but the 350 is usually considered a 2 pilot aircraft in 91 ops while it can be a single pilot acft in 135 ops. I know that makes no sense at all but for some reason I was told 91 must be 2 pilots while 135 can be 1 pilot. Although I don't have a type on this acft So I could be mistaken on this.

Every 135 350 operator I know has 2 pilots in the 350 though. I would assume if a company is paying you to fly that there is NO way around you being there. If there was I'm sure the company wouldn't pay you. The industry doesn't hand out money freely these days.

FlyingBobcat

All of my time in the 350 has been signed in my logbook by the Cheif pilot with his cert# and he has documented the procedures we covered in each flight. However, it seems to me since I have close to 100 hrs dual given, and a SIC sign off I need to start logging the time as SIC and perhaps go back and change some of the dual given to SIC. Thanks for your guys thoughts on this, just trying to build some multi time, and get credit for flying a 350.

freezingflyboy

Sounds like you should be ok with the time you have logged as dual recieved (it all counts as multi right?). But since you are signed off as SIC then why arent you logging it as SIC? There is no problem logging it as dual recieved as long as you can prove the instruction was given by an instructor qualified to do so (which it sounds like it is) and what you recieved instruction for is documented (which also sounds like it is). I would ask the cheif pilot why it is necessary for him to sign off your logbook each time as dual recieved. There might be something you're missing so it would be a good idea to check before you go changing things.

FlyingBobcat

Ok here is the conclusion I have come to about logging this dual or SIC 350 time. 61.55B says that you are a qualified SIC if you do ground and flight training for the airplane, I have done that. 61.51h states that you can log dual (it does not mention anything about only logging dual if your going for a rating/add-on) if it is from an instructor and he/she signs your logbook, they have done that also. 61.55D says that if you have logged dual received in a certain airplane, 61.51h, you can recieve a right seat SIC type if you simply fill out a 8710, get the cheif pilots signoff, and show an examiner the 8710 or take it to the FISDO along with your logbook. So that is what I shall do. I have about 70 dual recieved in the king air 350 and I am plannning on filling out the 8710 and getting the SIC type on my certificate. From then on I will log it as SIC. I hope someone is following me. So my question is are the regionals going to care if I have 70 dual recieved in the 350 and 50 SIC (120 hours total in the 350) when its all said and done?

freezingflyboy

To answer your question, I don't think an airline is going to care about how you logged the time as long as you didn't make it up. Just be sure you can explain it and provide proof if it comes up.

Second, are you sure you aren't going to have to pass a checkride for you SIC type? I had to pass an SIC checkride for the ERJ which is similar to a PIC type ride. It could be an airline thing, I don't know. I know passing the PC is an airline thing but the SIC type might require a checkride too.

FlyingBobcat

I'm pretty sure there is no ride. The reg doens't mention one.

flynavyj

know several people that have SIC ratings in various airplanes, but all was 135 stuff, and all had to take a 135 SIC checkride.

freezingflyboy

I would call down to the FSDO and talk with someone who is more familiar with the regs before I set up anything with an examiner. If you are an AOPA member, they might be able to help too.

crewdawg52

"Second, are you sure you aren't going to have to pass a checkride for you SIC type? I had to pass an SIC checkride for the ERJ which is similar to a PIC type ride. It could be an airline thing, I don't know. I know passing the PC is an airline thing but the SIC type might require a checkride too."

An SIC type on the A-320 consisted of going into flt ops and filling out the paperwork. My annual checkride was good enough. The only thing a SIC type gives you is you're the boss if the capt keels over and dies.