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Old 05-15-2010, 05:14 PM
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The May issue of ATW online has some interesting articles concerning the future or "regional" flying:

Has the Regional Bubble Burst?

Losing its Luster

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Very interesting stuff to read....thanks for the links!!!
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Slightly off topic, but inetersting nonetheless if you compare the career progression of pilots and doctors which are very similar.... Perhaps someday (highly unlikely though) a federally mandated panel of experts that would seek to level the salaries of professional pilots.....

Commentary: General Practitioners Need to Make More Money - BusinessWeek
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From the "has the regional bubble burst" article:
"There is no indication that either crew member had accommodations in Newark. The pilots caught catnaps on a sofa in the crew lounge, which was prohibited by airline regulations".

Ummm did I completely miss something here?
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Originally Posted by OnMyWay
From the "has the regional bubble burst" article:
"There is no indication that either crew member had accommodations in Newark. The pilots caught catnaps on a sofa in the crew lounge, which was prohibited by airline regulations".

Ummm did I completely miss something here?
I think it is in reference to Colgan having a policy of prohibiting crew members from sleeping in the crew lounge. Not a federal regulation.
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I think it is in reference to Colgan having a policy of prohibiting crew members from sleeping in the crew lounge. Not a federal regulation.
Yes, sleeping in the the crew room is prohibited. But, according to HM (VP of operations) during the NTSB hearings, "napping" is not. When asked what was the difference between sleeping and napping, he was unable to give a specific answer.

In fairness, I cannot clearly separate napping from sleeping. Probably the reason I am only labor.
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Yes, sleeping in the the crew room is prohibited. But, according to HM (VP of operations) during the NTSB hearings, "napping" is not. When asked what was the difference between sleeping and napping, he was unable to give a specific answer.

In fairness, I cannot clearly separate napping from sleeping. Probably the reason I am only labor.
Seems simple to me. "Sleeping" is what I do at home, when I brush my teeth, put on some PJ's, and climb in bed. "Napping" is what I do in lying on the couch at halftime on Sunday afternoon.

Huge difference between the guys catching a few zz's on the lounger vs. the guys that are living there overnight - my two cents.
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Seems simple to me. "Sleeping" is what I do at home, when I brush my teeth, put on some PJ's, and climb in bed. "Napping" is what I do in lying on the couch at halftime on Sunday afternoon.

Huge difference between the guys catching a few zz's on the lounger vs. the guys that are living there overnight - my two cents.
Not trying to pick a fight, but here a couple problems with your logic.....

How many zz's is a few?

I brush shortly after each meal, so even while napping my teeth are clean

If sleeping is what I do at home, then I only sleep three nights a week

If PJs are required for sleeping, then when I am in uniform for 8 hours, I must be napping

Depending on my mate's disposition, I may spend a whole month sleeping on the couch
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Depending on my mate's disposition, I may spend a whole month sleeping on the couch
Your "mate?" Can we assume you're Australian or live in a zoo exhibit?
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Not trying to pick a fight, but here a couple problems with your logic.....

How many zz's is a few?

I brush shortly after each meal, so even while napping my teeth are clean

If sleeping is what I do at home, then I only sleep three nights a week

If PJs are required for sleeping, then when I am in uniform for 8 hours, I must be napping

Depending on my mate's disposition, I may spend a whole month sleeping on the couch
I hear you, but this can be as simple or as complex as you want to make it. Point I was trying to make is, if you are living in the crew lounge, commuting in the night before your trip starts and crashing on a couch overnight to save yourself a hotel - that is "sleeping". If you come in early, hop in a chair, and fall asleep for an hour watching tv while you are sitting ready, that is napping.

I think that fundamentally, we all understand the difference - sometimes logic gets in the way of our politics, though.
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