Colgan Interview
06-28-2010, 08:57 AM
#111
On Reserve
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 19
No doubt they are looking to slum at that place now. I went to the interview and was sent home too....2100 TT and 160 ME. Unfortunately I had a couple busted 141 checkrides back in the day way before 3407...I never thought the day would come where people would scrutinize my training until today. Chuck pulled me aside himself and said that they couldn't proceed because of the Capt of 3407 and the microscope is on them.
I don't know what they are looking for over there...I went when the standards were 1000 TT, 100 ME, ATP, more than one failed checkride needed to be explained. But I think people with half a brain were not going to work for that kind of crap QOL and pay. When I went a few weeks ago, there were people with over 1500 hrs, ATP writtens, 121/135 backgrounds. I think I had the most TT in there, but I am only a busy CFI.
I hope most of those people in there with me had the balls to stand up and say no to that culture of poor work standards. They were pitching us poor pay (but you already knew that), Reserve somewhere on the east coast with 5 days on 2 off, and the SAAB (might have been a deal breaker for some). I won't say I am a diva, but that just sounds lovely for $21/hr. EWR is lovely this time of year from what I understand. They mentioned that the Dash wasn't going to be likely for new hires because they were going to upgrade current SAAB pilots to that.
I went for the interview experience and I think I got more than what I came for. I might have made the idea of an airline interview a little more glamorous than what it actually is, but it did seem very off the hip...very informal. The check pilots they introduced us to were younger....I am 29, but I asked how long they had been there, both captains confirmed my suspicions that they were wet commercial hires back at the beginning of the great hiring spree of the mid 2000's.
The HR lady was very nice, Chuck looked like he just rolled out of bed in his suit and didn't have an opportunity to dust off his dandruff just yet. The log book review was very long and drawn out process. The test was a joke. All and all I would give the Colgan presentation a D effort. It is exactly what I thought it would be after watching the "Flying Cheep" episode on TV.
Of course I can just see people now saying, "well maybe you shouldn't have sucked on your checkrides and maybe you could have continued with the interview". True statement. But after instructing for over 2 years, I can say that it builds character when I see a student of mine, or another student struggle and make it through the tough times. Some people actually do learn from their mistakes and grow. Too bad Colgan doesn't have the wiggle room to make that exception. But, I have been told its a blessing in disguise...I think they are right. Good luck to those who feel that this is their only option to get into the biz...try and be patient, hold out for a job that will treat you with some degree of respect, and will pay you a little more. Wait...am I still talking about the airlines?
Colgan is just another company with management who is in a race to the bottom. Period Dot.
Flame on I guess.
I don't know what they are looking for over there...I went when the standards were 1000 TT, 100 ME, ATP, more than one failed checkride needed to be explained. But I think people with half a brain were not going to work for that kind of crap QOL and pay. When I went a few weeks ago, there were people with over 1500 hrs, ATP writtens, 121/135 backgrounds. I think I had the most TT in there, but I am only a busy CFI.
I hope most of those people in there with me had the balls to stand up and say no to that culture of poor work standards. They were pitching us poor pay (but you already knew that), Reserve somewhere on the east coast with 5 days on 2 off, and the SAAB (might have been a deal breaker for some). I won't say I am a diva, but that just sounds lovely for $21/hr. EWR is lovely this time of year from what I understand. They mentioned that the Dash wasn't going to be likely for new hires because they were going to upgrade current SAAB pilots to that.
I went for the interview experience and I think I got more than what I came for. I might have made the idea of an airline interview a little more glamorous than what it actually is, but it did seem very off the hip...very informal. The check pilots they introduced us to were younger....I am 29, but I asked how long they had been there, both captains confirmed my suspicions that they were wet commercial hires back at the beginning of the great hiring spree of the mid 2000's.
The HR lady was very nice, Chuck looked like he just rolled out of bed in his suit and didn't have an opportunity to dust off his dandruff just yet. The log book review was very long and drawn out process. The test was a joke. All and all I would give the Colgan presentation a D effort. It is exactly what I thought it would be after watching the "Flying Cheep" episode on TV.
Of course I can just see people now saying, "well maybe you shouldn't have sucked on your checkrides and maybe you could have continued with the interview". True statement. But after instructing for over 2 years, I can say that it builds character when I see a student of mine, or another student struggle and make it through the tough times. Some people actually do learn from their mistakes and grow. Too bad Colgan doesn't have the wiggle room to make that exception. But, I have been told its a blessing in disguise...I think they are right. Good luck to those who feel that this is their only option to get into the biz...try and be patient, hold out for a job that will treat you with some degree of respect, and will pay you a little more. Wait...am I still talking about the airlines?
Colgan is just another company with management who is in a race to the bottom. Period Dot.
Flame on I guess.
AC
06-28-2010, 09:01 AM
#112
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,498
06-28-2010, 09:06 AM
#114
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: Goodyear Blimp-roap jockey, CSIP, CFII, MEI
Posts: 224
I wanted to turn them down! Haha
No hurt feelings, just wanted to get some interview experience. Draw whatever conclusions you might, but I have solidified my opinion of that company after seeing a little bit of the inside. I didn't see the harm in checking it out.
06-28-2010, 10:26 AM
#115
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 51
Not trying to be rude, but first thing is that regionals are not hiring and where did you get the info that they are emphasizing check rides??? Thats the first I have herd about that, is this Colgan specific? If so, my bad...
06-28-2010, 11:08 AM
#116
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,498
[quote=davispm1;833502]Not trying to be rude, but first thing is that regionals are not hiring.quote]
Hawaiian (not regional)
Cape Air
Colgan
Compass
American Eagle
Wings of Alaska
Flight Express
ASA (shortly from what I understand)
GoJets (Accepting Apps)
Skywest (had a very brief hiring spurt)
The airlines are starting to turn slowly. With the amount of applicants on the street, I'm sure everything from busted checkrides to speeding tickets will come into account. Just the way it is for now.
Hawaiian (not regional)
Cape Air
Colgan
Compass
American Eagle
Wings of Alaska
Flight Express
ASA (shortly from what I understand)
GoJets (Accepting Apps)
Skywest (had a very brief hiring spurt)
The airlines are starting to turn slowly. With the amount of applicants on the street, I'm sure everything from busted checkrides to speeding tickets will come into account. Just the way it is for now.
06-28-2010, 11:58 AM
#117
Day puke
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Out.
Posts: 3,865
No doubt they are looking to slum at that place now. I went to the interview and was sent home too....2100 TT and 160 ME. Unfortunately I had a couple busted 141 checkrides back in the day way before 3407...I never thought the day would come where people would scrutinize my training until today. Chuck pulled me aside himself and said that they couldn't proceed because of the Capt of 3407 and the microscope is on them.
I don't know what they are looking for over there...I went when the standards were 1000 TT, 100 ME, ATP, more than one failed checkride needed to be explained. But I think people with half a brain were not going to work for that kind of crap QOL and pay. When I went a few weeks ago, there were people with over 1500 hrs, ATP writtens, 121/135 backgrounds. I think I had the most TT in there, but I am only a busy CFI.
I hope most of those people in there with me had the balls to stand up and say no to that culture of poor work standards. They were pitching us poor pay (but you already knew that), Reserve somewhere on the east coast with 5 days on 2 off, and the SAAB (might have been a deal breaker for some). I won't say I am a diva, but that just sounds lovely for $21/hr. EWR is lovely this time of year from what I understand. They mentioned that the Dash wasn't going to be likely for new hires because they were going to upgrade current SAAB pilots to that.
I went for the interview experience and I think I got more than what I came for. I might have made the idea of an airline interview a little more glamorous than what it actually is, but it did seem very off the hip...very informal. The check pilots they introduced us to were younger....I am 29, but I asked how long they had been there, both captains confirmed my suspicions that they were wet commercial hires back at the beginning of the great hiring spree of the mid 2000's.
The HR lady was very nice, Chuck looked like he just rolled out of bed in his suit and didn't have an opportunity to dust off his dandruff just yet. The log book review was very long and drawn out process. The test was a joke. All and all I would give the Colgan presentation a D effort. It is exactly what I thought it would be after watching the "Flying Cheep" episode on TV.
Of course I can just see people now saying, "well maybe you shouldn't have sucked on your checkrides and maybe you could have continued with the interview". True statement. But after instructing for over 2 years, I can say that it builds character when I see a student of mine, or another student struggle and make it through the tough times. Some people actually do learn from their mistakes and grow. Too bad Colgan doesn't have the wiggle room to make that exception. But, I have been told its a blessing in disguise...I think they are right. Good luck to those who feel that this is their only option to get into the biz...try and be patient, hold out for a job that will treat you with some degree of respect, and will pay you a little more. Wait...am I still talking about the airlines?
Colgan is just another company with management who is in a race to the bottom. Period Dot.
Flame on I guess.
I don't know what they are looking for over there...I went when the standards were 1000 TT, 100 ME, ATP, more than one failed checkride needed to be explained. But I think people with half a brain were not going to work for that kind of crap QOL and pay. When I went a few weeks ago, there were people with over 1500 hrs, ATP writtens, 121/135 backgrounds. I think I had the most TT in there, but I am only a busy CFI.
I hope most of those people in there with me had the balls to stand up and say no to that culture of poor work standards. They were pitching us poor pay (but you already knew that), Reserve somewhere on the east coast with 5 days on 2 off, and the SAAB (might have been a deal breaker for some). I won't say I am a diva, but that just sounds lovely for $21/hr. EWR is lovely this time of year from what I understand. They mentioned that the Dash wasn't going to be likely for new hires because they were going to upgrade current SAAB pilots to that.
I went for the interview experience and I think I got more than what I came for. I might have made the idea of an airline interview a little more glamorous than what it actually is, but it did seem very off the hip...very informal. The check pilots they introduced us to were younger....I am 29, but I asked how long they had been there, both captains confirmed my suspicions that they were wet commercial hires back at the beginning of the great hiring spree of the mid 2000's.
The HR lady was very nice, Chuck looked like he just rolled out of bed in his suit and didn't have an opportunity to dust off his dandruff just yet. The log book review was very long and drawn out process. The test was a joke. All and all I would give the Colgan presentation a D effort. It is exactly what I thought it would be after watching the "Flying Cheep" episode on TV.
Of course I can just see people now saying, "well maybe you shouldn't have sucked on your checkrides and maybe you could have continued with the interview". True statement. But after instructing for over 2 years, I can say that it builds character when I see a student of mine, or another student struggle and make it through the tough times. Some people actually do learn from their mistakes and grow. Too bad Colgan doesn't have the wiggle room to make that exception. But, I have been told its a blessing in disguise...I think they are right. Good luck to those who feel that this is their only option to get into the biz...try and be patient, hold out for a job that will treat you with some degree of respect, and will pay you a little more. Wait...am I still talking about the airlines?
Colgan is just another company with management who is in a race to the bottom. Period Dot.
Flame on I guess.
A "couple" of busted 141 checkrides.....
Only went for the interview experience...
the Saab might have been a deal breaker....
that just sounds lovely for $21/hr....
logbook check was a long process....
both of the check airmen were younger.....
For someone who only went for the "interview experience", you sure sound bitter.
For everyone else thinking about interviewing, here are some facts:
You will be asked about failed checkrides.
Your logbook will be examined.
First year pay is $21/hour with 75 hours guaranteed.
You WILL be on reserve until you can hold a line (how long it will take to hold is line is anyone's guess).
Reserve is almost always 5 on 2 off (commuting is hard to impossible).
You will probably be assigned to the Saab.
Some of our pilots and check airmen are young.
Colgan (and probably all other regionals) don't have the time, money, or the need to help a new hire build character or struggle through his mistakes.
If those obvious things are deal breakers, don't waste your time on the interview.
06-28-2010, 02:37 PM
#118
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: Airbus 319/320 Captain
Posts: 880
Other than the CFI initial, I think ALL busts will need to be explained.
A "couple" of busted 141 checkrides.....
Only went for the interview experience...
the Saab might have been a deal breaker....
that just sounds lovely for $21/hr....
logbook check was a long process....
both of the check airmen were younger.....
For someone who only went for the "interview experience", you sure sound bitter.
For everyone else thinking about interviewing, here are some facts:
You will be asked about failed checkrides.
Your logbook will be examined.
First year pay is $21/hour with 75 hours guaranteed.
You WILL be on reserve until you can hold a line (how long it will take to hold is line is anyone's guess).
Reserve is almost always 5 on 2 off (commuting is hard to impossible).
You will probably be assigned to the Saab.
Some of our pilots and check airmen are young.
Colgan (and probably all other regionals) don't have the time, money, or the need to help a new hire build character or struggle through his mistakes.
If those obvious things are deal breakers, don't waste your time on the interview.
A "couple" of busted 141 checkrides.....
Only went for the interview experience...
the Saab might have been a deal breaker....
that just sounds lovely for $21/hr....
logbook check was a long process....
both of the check airmen were younger.....
For someone who only went for the "interview experience", you sure sound bitter.
For everyone else thinking about interviewing, here are some facts:
You will be asked about failed checkrides.
Your logbook will be examined.
First year pay is $21/hour with 75 hours guaranteed.
You WILL be on reserve until you can hold a line (how long it will take to hold is line is anyone's guess).
Reserve is almost always 5 on 2 off (commuting is hard to impossible).
You will probably be assigned to the Saab.
Some of our pilots and check airmen are young.
Colgan (and probably all other regionals) don't have the time, money, or the need to help a new hire build character or struggle through his mistakes.
If those obvious things are deal breakers, don't waste your time on the interview.
06-28-2010, 04:10 PM
#120
Moderator
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,971
This thread is starting to resemble every other Colgan thread.
Lets try to keep it on topic in regards to Colgan interviews.
There are MORE than enough threads about what people at Colgan think about it, what people outside of Colgan think about it and what people think they think about it. If you think there are not enough feel free to start another.
This thread needs to stay on topic or will get closed.
Lets try to keep it on topic in regards to Colgan interviews.
There are MORE than enough threads about what people at Colgan think about it, what people outside of Colgan think about it and what people think they think about it. If you think there are not enough feel free to start another.
This thread needs to stay on topic or will get closed.
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