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12-22-2010, 05:09 PM
#671
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Joined APC: May 2009
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yeah, its no big deal man, but i never had an accident/incident, all i got was a warning letter. I guess this is a big deal to them though. Oh well, crap happens.
12-22-2010, 05:14 PM
#672
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: on the beach
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Its a tough break getting the rejection letter from a company you really wanted to work for, but all you can do now is get back on the horse and find the next carrier to apply to. I got rejected at my #1 choice for a regional and wound up at Eagle. I am happy things worked out the way they did, and I hope you can do the same someday.
I appreciate your kind words. Take care.
12-23-2010, 07:34 AM
#674
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 64
So you mean to tell me that, out of 800 applications, there is not 799 other guys that had a checkride failure, accident/incident/warning letter, line check failure, problem in training, e.g. something that could potentially be on their record? Unless they are planning on hiring about 5 guys, i would say it's EXTREMELY unlikely.
I have been flying for 10 years, and have not met ONE PERSON who holds a commercial cert. that does not have something on their record.
Mason, it would be gratifying to know that we all lived in a perfect world, but in aviation, it just doesnt happen. I read a statistic somewhere that everytime you fly, you are breaking a MINIMUM of 32 different FAR's.
Just think about that for a sec.
I have been flying for 10 years, and have not met ONE PERSON who holds a commercial cert. that does not have something on their record.
Mason, it would be gratifying to know that we all lived in a perfect world, but in aviation, it just doesnt happen. I read a statistic somewhere that everytime you fly, you are breaking a MINIMUM of 32 different FAR's.
Just think about that for a sec.
12-23-2010, 07:43 AM
#675
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Joined APC: May 2009
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I don't think it matters what it is i.e. failed checkride, incident, letter from FAA, if you do not disclose it. At my interview one guy was sent home in the first 10 min for not disclosing something he thought was "no big deal". I have 2 failed checkrides and thought I was screwed but still made it known to them. I know it sucks not to get the job but you have to be absolutely forthcoming on the next one. Just bring it up and let them decide. Then if they don't hire you be ticked.
I just can't see how a warning letter can be that big of a deal. A violation, accident, or incident, big deal yes.
I think my point is, if this whole hiring boom takes place, and they are rejecting guys because they have a warning letter on their record, are the airlines going to have to revert to 500 hr. wonders again?
Ask any captain at a regional that has been there for more than 5 years If he would rather fly with a 500 hr. wonder, or a 1500 hr pilot that got a warning letter.
12-23-2010, 08:04 AM
#677
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 64
See thats the thing, i did disclose it. I didn't try to hide it at all. I explained exactly what happened, and that the case was closed.
I just can't see how a warning letter can be that big of a deal. A violation, accident, or incident, big deal yes.
I think my point is, if this whole hiring boom takes place, and they are rejecting guys because they have a warning letter on their record, are the airlines going to have to revert to 500 hr. wonders again?
Ask any captain at a regional that has been there for more than 5 years If he would rather fly with a 500 hr. wonder, or a 1500 hr pilot that got a warning letter.
I just can't see how a warning letter can be that big of a deal. A violation, accident, or incident, big deal yes.
I think my point is, if this whole hiring boom takes place, and they are rejecting guys because they have a warning letter on their record, are the airlines going to have to revert to 500 hr. wonders again?
Ask any captain at a regional that has been there for more than 5 years If he would rather fly with a 500 hr. wonder, or a 1500 hr pilot that got a warning letter.
After my sim I came back to the holding tank and he was sitting there all frustrated about how his HR just went. I asked what questions he got asked and he said "They asked me how I receive criticism. I said if it was a buddy of mine who was critisizing me I would probably just blow it off, but if it was my employer then I would probably listen." Inside my jaw dropped, you said what??!? Anyway, he fried himself on the HR portion and I think that is where most guys do. That is the only time they really can get to know you. That is the time to shine. I have been practicing those stupid HR questions for months and it really helped me.
Like I said I don't think you would have answered like that but did you really take the time to prepare for that portion of the interview? Maybe try to reflect on what your answers were. How did the tech and sim go?
Anyway, like flyby said you got to get back on the horse and keep moving forward. Best of luck at the next interview because there will be more opportunity. Good things come to he who waits.
12-23-2010, 08:16 AM
#679
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Well if that is the case then it must have been something else. There were 6 of us that interviewed and like I said one guy was sent home in 10 min. The rest of us made it through the rest of the day but one guy didn't get the letter. I know why he didn't, but please don't think I am accusing you of doing this.
After my sim I came back to the holding tank and he was sitting there all frustrated about how his HR just went. I asked what questions he got asked and he said "They asked me how I receive criticism. I said if it was a buddy of mine who was critisizing me I would probably just blow it off, but if it was my employer then I would probably listen." Inside my jaw dropped, you said what??!? Anyway, he fried himself on the HR portion and I think that is where most guys do. That is the only time they really can get to know you. That is the time to shine. I have been practicing those stupid HR questions for months and it really helped me.
Like I said I don't think you would have answered like that but did you really take the time to prepare for that portion of the interview? Maybe try to reflect on what your answers were. How did the tech and sim go?
Anyway, like flyby said you got to get back on the horse and keep moving forward. Best of luck at the next interview because there will be more opportunity. Good things come to he who waits.
After my sim I came back to the holding tank and he was sitting there all frustrated about how his HR just went. I asked what questions he got asked and he said "They asked me how I receive criticism. I said if it was a buddy of mine who was critisizing me I would probably just blow it off, but if it was my employer then I would probably listen." Inside my jaw dropped, you said what??!? Anyway, he fried himself on the HR portion and I think that is where most guys do. That is the only time they really can get to know you. That is the time to shine. I have been practicing those stupid HR questions for months and it really helped me.
Like I said I don't think you would have answered like that but did you really take the time to prepare for that portion of the interview? Maybe try to reflect on what your answers were. How did the tech and sim go?
Anyway, like flyby said you got to get back on the horse and keep moving forward. Best of luck at the next interview because there will be more opportunity. Good things come to he who waits.
I actually did not even interview with them, i just got an email saying i was denied.
If they would have asked me how i respond to criticism I would answer VERY honestly. I respond very aggresively if someone is calling my qualifications, experience, knowledge, or intengrity into question, but if I am wrong, I accept responsibility and explain my actions.
It must have been something else. Thanks alot for your support though, I appreciate your kind words. Time to get back on the horse and move on.
12-23-2010, 08:22 AM
#680
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 510
people need to step back and see the big picture:
Colgan poisoned the water for everyone. Lawyers are waiting for ANY training deficiency or ANY failure to point to and bring liability to the carrier. Not only that but pilots are jointly and severally liable for their actions as well. Your estate is twisting in the wind until you punch out. Anyone remember from CFI days that a sign off for a license also exposed you to liability for the newly minted pilot? Well, history is repeating itself and businesses are not going to risk it because lawyers want to play in this new sand box.
If YOU have a blemish on your record YOU will pay with everything you have IF you are involved with an incident/accident that results in monetary damages. You will still get hit if you are squeaky clean but you WILL be presumed guilty if you have issues.
Colgan poisoned the water for everyone. Lawyers are waiting for ANY training deficiency or ANY failure to point to and bring liability to the carrier. Not only that but pilots are jointly and severally liable for their actions as well. Your estate is twisting in the wind until you punch out. Anyone remember from CFI days that a sign off for a license also exposed you to liability for the newly minted pilot? Well, history is repeating itself and businesses are not going to risk it because lawyers want to play in this new sand box.
If YOU have a blemish on your record YOU will pay with everything you have IF you are involved with an incident/accident that results in monetary damages. You will still get hit if you are squeaky clean but you WILL be presumed guilty if you have issues.
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