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05-27-2012, 12:20 PM
#5661
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 820
this MEC is trash, go look at the captain rep in Miami, the guy went to the dallas meeting on company time, and got all his flying dropped, then he came back and has OT the last week of the month. This guy cares nothing about unity, he cares about lining his wallet, like most MEC/LEC members. Go do N3D/MIA/EMJ/CA see how times you see PW and OT.
05-27-2012, 12:37 PM
#5662
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 894
Sorry I quoted the wrong contract section in my post above and it won't let me edit it, same rule but incorrect #.
This is the correct one for special LEC meeting for recall:
This is the correct one for special LEC meeting for recall:
Constitution and By Law ArticleIII section 3
(4) Notice of special Local Council meetings called to consider Nomination of Representatives, Nomination and Election of Interim Status Representatives, the recall of a Local Council Representative or Officer, or to vote on a Local Council assessment shall be mailed by the Vice President-Administration/Secretary to each member at his last known home address not less than fifteen (15) days prior to the date of such meeting.
(4) Notice of special Local Council meetings called to consider Nomination of Representatives, Nomination and Election of Interim Status Representatives, the recall of a Local Council Representative or Officer, or to vote on a Local Council assessment shall be mailed by the Vice President-Administration/Secretary to each member at his last known home address not less than fifteen (15) days prior to the date of such meeting.
05-27-2012, 03:37 PM
#5663
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
No, what happened was they intentionally scheduled a meeting over a HOLIDAY weekend 50 minutes away from the airport so hardly anybody could attend even if they wanted too! There was a list of over 60+ pilots who were in contact with others that wanted to vote for recall but could not get a proxy carrier because nobody could attend this intentionally ridiculous meeting time/location..
Then they used illegal means to win the vote with illegal proxy votes. They had a company paid employee, a crew scheduler, handing out and collecting proxy votes in the crew room. Signed by pilots without having the proxy carrier name listed at the time of signing (which is a violation of the interpretation of ALPA constitution and by-laws).
They also had a negotiating team member handing out proxy forms and telling people to put them in the ALPA box in the crew room. Proxy carrier names were not listed this time either. Plenty of people witnessed this. At the meeting, they had a bunch of previously filled out and signed proxy votes asking people in attendance to fill in their name as proxy carriers. Illegal again, same as above. Also using the ALPA box to stuff votes for only one side is obviously a violation of improper ALPA resource uses.
As per constitution and By-laws they were required to (regular mail) out a meeting notification for a special recall meeting to EVERY member of 133 no later than 15 days in advance of the meeting. I still have not talked to one person that received one in the mail. One person claims to have gotten one on another forum post, but at least 15 people I asked personally never did. Along with everyone else on the forum stating they never received it. So this is another major violation of the rules.
There was also NO time listed on the meeting notification as required by constitution and by-laws either.
This whole thing was rigged from the start.
Then they used illegal means to win the vote with illegal proxy votes. They had a company paid employee, a crew scheduler, handing out and collecting proxy votes in the crew room. Signed by pilots without having the proxy carrier name listed at the time of signing (which is a violation of the interpretation of ALPA constitution and by-laws).
They also had a negotiating team member handing out proxy forms and telling people to put them in the ALPA box in the crew room. Proxy carrier names were not listed this time either. Plenty of people witnessed this. At the meeting, they had a bunch of previously filled out and signed proxy votes asking people in attendance to fill in their name as proxy carriers. Illegal again, same as above. Also using the ALPA box to stuff votes for only one side is obviously a violation of improper ALPA resource uses.
As per constitution and By-laws they were required to (regular mail) out a meeting notification for a special recall meeting to EVERY member of 133 no later than 15 days in advance of the meeting. I still have not talked to one person that received one in the mail. One person claims to have gotten one on another forum post, but at least 15 people I asked personally never did. Along with everyone else on the forum stating they never received it. So this is another major violation of the rules.
There was also NO time listed on the meeting notification as required by constitution and by-laws either.
This whole thing was rigged from the start.
You have 2 choices. Either a group of you take the lead and persue DFR via a lawsuit or you resign yourselves to being victims of your own cause.
05-27-2012, 03:41 PM
#5664
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
this MEC is trash, go look at the captain rep in Miami, the guy went to the dallas meeting on company time, and got all his flying dropped, then he came back and has OT the last week of the month. This guy cares nothing about unity, he cares about lining his wallet, like most MEC/LEC members. Go do N3D/MIA/EMJ/CA see how times you see PW and OT.
05-27-2012, 04:00 PM
#5665
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Reclined
Posts: 2,168
These two WILL be ousted, I know that over 250 pilots have put in proxy votes to have them kicked out, and most people I know who live in ORD are going to the meeting to vote them out. This is an Eagle wide issue that majority of guys I fly with, and most FOs I know want the ORD LEC gone, just on the fact they have turned this into such a game. They sent out an email personally naming the pilots in ORD that wanted them recalled, and have refused to hold a meeting. If they get voted out, most likely team tony, particularly Tony himself will get voted out as they lose majority. It is time for some fresh faces in our MEC. We need to be on our ball right now, and these guys are not. Its always good for fresh faces, and the tides are turning on these guys.
RECALL ORD!!! New faces, as we move forward UNITED with a fresh movement.
RECALL ORD!!! New faces, as we move forward UNITED with a fresh movement.
How you can not be disgusted by what they have done is beyond me. I'm glad I'm no longer there. Good luck to you.
05-27-2012, 04:13 PM
#5666
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 820
our UNION is corrupt, everyone needs to stand up against them now, start attending meetings and being an opposing voice, and running in elections!
Go check your bases N3D and see how much OT your union reps are picking up, and remember that they most likely had the other part of their month dropped for union work, while getting paid top dollar!
Just keep notes of who picks up OT and DO THEM NO FAVORS. FLY THE CONTRACT WITH THEM. DO NOT ALLOW EVEN THE SLIGHT MX ITEM TO GO ON THEIR GO HOME LEG WHILE FLYING OT.
Go check your bases N3D and see how much OT your union reps are picking up, and remember that they most likely had the other part of their month dropped for union work, while getting paid top dollar!
Just keep notes of who picks up OT and DO THEM NO FAVORS. FLY THE CONTRACT WITH THEM. DO NOT ALLOW EVEN THE SLIGHT MX ITEM TO GO ON THEIR GO HOME LEG WHILE FLYING OT.
05-28-2012, 12:47 PM
#5667
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 338
Without a doubt you have no idea how little PU time the LEC Reps actually get. You are free to debate the pickup OT/ don't pickup all you want, but you are plain wrong on the amount of time off they get to do union work.
05-28-2012, 07:28 PM
#5668
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 820
05-28-2012, 09:35 PM
#5669
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,822
our UNION is corrupt, everyone needs to stand up against them now, start attending meetings and being an opposing voice, and running in elections!
Go check your bases N3D and see how much OT your union reps are picking up, and remember that they most likely had the other part of their month dropped for union work, while getting paid top dollar!
Just keep notes of who picks up OT and DO THEM NO FAVORS. FLY THE CONTRACT WITH THEM. DO NOT ALLOW EVEN THE SLIGHT MX ITEM TO GO ON THEIR GO HOME LEG WHILE FLYING OT.
Go check your bases N3D and see how much OT your union reps are picking up, and remember that they most likely had the other part of their month dropped for union work, while getting paid top dollar!
Just keep notes of who picks up OT and DO THEM NO FAVORS. FLY THE CONTRACT WITH THEM. DO NOT ALLOW EVEN THE SLIGHT MX ITEM TO GO ON THEIR GO HOME LEG WHILE FLYING OT.
Who told you that they have been picking up OT? Have you seen them pick up OT? My rep is a line flying CA.
05-29-2012, 06:00 AM
#5670
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Certain ALPA reps feathered their 95 hour nests with OT quite frequently too.
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