Eagle Life
03-17-2012, 03:10 PM
#5363
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The APA's scope clause now allows American Eagle to fly 47 Bombardier CRJ700s. (Photo: Bombardier)
February 6, 2012, 12:46 PM
AMR management has proposed loosening the scope clause language in its Allied Pilots Association (APA) contract as part of its plan to return to profitability following its eventual exit from bankruptcy. Language in the so-called term sheet issued to the American Airline pilots, 400 of whom face furlough as part of the plan, calls for a change in the definition of a “commuter carrier” to allow American Eagle and other regional affiliates to fly either jet or turboprop aircraft with a passenger capacity of 88 seats and an mtow as high as 114,500 pounds. Perhaps more significantly, the new clause would allow regional affiliates to fly as many as 255 jets with a passenger capacity of between 51 and 88 seats—or up to 50 percent of the total number of mainline aircraft. The maximum number of jets holding 50 seats or less allowed during any six-month period would equate to the number of narrowbody aircraft at American Airlines multiplied by 110 percent.
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Under the current scope clause, American’s APA contract defines a commuter carrier as one operating aircraft with a maximum passenger capacity of 50 seats and a maximum takeoff weight of no more than 64,500 pounds. Exceptions include the 47 seventy-seat Bombardier CRJ700s Eagle now operates and 42 ATR 72 turboprops it plans to ground. As in the new proposal, the current contract allows the number of 50-seat jets at the regionals to rise only as high as 110 percent of the number of narrowbody aircraft flown at the mainline.*
Meanwhile, limits on certain nonstop flying by regionals differs depending on whether AMR owns a majority of the airline of not. For example, 85 percent of departures by jet aircraft at regionals majority owned by AMR or an affiliate must operate out of nine American hubs or so-called focus cities, while other non-owned regionals cannot fly for American anywhere but into or out of those cities.
The proposed scope clause would completely eliminate the distinction between owned and non-owned regionals.
The new clause would also allow American to place its code on any route on which a carrier that operates both aircraft holding 88 or fewer seats and aircraft carrying 89 or more seats uses the smaller aircraft under the commuter air carrier section of the APA contract. Finally, it would modify the methodology of counting so-called commuter aircraft to reflect only those providing code share with American Airlines and change the definition of hubs and major airports to encompass only “cornerstone” cities (DFW, ORD, MIA, JFK and LAX). The current contract defines nine cities as “hub” or “major.”
So you guys are getting 175s or does it sound like more outsourcing???
February 6, 2012, 12:46 PM
AMR management has proposed loosening the scope clause language in its Allied Pilots Association (APA) contract as part of its plan to return to profitability following its eventual exit from bankruptcy. Language in the so-called term sheet issued to the American Airline pilots, 400 of whom face furlough as part of the plan, calls for a change in the definition of a “commuter carrier” to allow American Eagle and other regional affiliates to fly either jet or turboprop aircraft with a passenger capacity of 88 seats and an mtow as high as 114,500 pounds. Perhaps more significantly, the new clause would allow regional affiliates to fly as many as 255 jets with a passenger capacity of between 51 and 88 seats—or up to 50 percent of the total number of mainline aircraft. The maximum number of jets holding 50 seats or less allowed during any six-month period would equate to the number of narrowbody aircraft at American Airlines multiplied by 110 percent.
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Under the current scope clause, American’s APA contract defines a commuter carrier as one operating aircraft with a maximum passenger capacity of 50 seats and a maximum takeoff weight of no more than 64,500 pounds. Exceptions include the 47 seventy-seat Bombardier CRJ700s Eagle now operates and 42 ATR 72 turboprops it plans to ground. As in the new proposal, the current contract allows the number of 50-seat jets at the regionals to rise only as high as 110 percent of the number of narrowbody aircraft flown at the mainline.*
Meanwhile, limits on certain nonstop flying by regionals differs depending on whether AMR owns a majority of the airline of not. For example, 85 percent of departures by jet aircraft at regionals majority owned by AMR or an affiliate must operate out of nine American hubs or so-called focus cities, while other non-owned regionals cannot fly for American anywhere but into or out of those cities.
The proposed scope clause would completely eliminate the distinction between owned and non-owned regionals.
The new clause would also allow American to place its code on any route on which a carrier that operates both aircraft holding 88 or fewer seats and aircraft carrying 89 or more seats uses the smaller aircraft under the commuter air carrier section of the APA contract. Finally, it would modify the methodology of counting so-called commuter aircraft to reflect only those providing code share with American Airlines and change the definition of hubs and major airports to encompass only “cornerstone” cities (DFW, ORD, MIA, JFK and LAX). The current contract defines nine cities as “hub” or “major.”
So you guys are getting 175s or does it sound like more outsourcing???
03-17-2012, 03:52 PM
#5364
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The APA's scope clause now allows American Eagle to fly 47 Bombardier CRJ700s. (Photo: Bombardier)
February 6, 2012, 12:46 PM
AMR management has proposed loosening the scope clause language in its Allied Pilots Association (APA) contract as part of its plan to return to profitability following its eventual exit from bankruptcy. Language in the so-called term sheet issued to the American Airline pilots, 400 of whom face furlough as part of the plan, calls for a change in the definition of a “commuter carrier” to allow American Eagle and other regional affiliates to fly either jet or turboprop aircraft with a passenger capacity of 88 seats and an mtow as high as 114,500 pounds. Perhaps more significantly, the new clause would allow regional affiliates to fly as many as 255 jets with a passenger capacity of between 51 and 88 seats—or up to 50 percent of the total number of mainline aircraft. The maximum number of jets holding 50 seats or less allowed during any six-month period would equate to the number of narrowbody aircraft at American Airlines multiplied by 110 percent.
*
Under the current scope clause, American’s APA contract defines a commuter carrier as one operating aircraft with a maximum passenger capacity of 50 seats and a maximum takeoff weight of no more than 64,500 pounds. Exceptions include the 47 seventy-seat Bombardier CRJ700s Eagle now operates and 42 ATR 72 turboprops it plans to ground. As in the new proposal, the current contract allows the number of 50-seat jets at the regionals to rise only as high as 110 percent of the number of narrowbody aircraft flown at the mainline.*
Meanwhile, limits on certain nonstop flying by regionals differs depending on whether AMR owns a majority of the airline of not. For example, 85 percent of departures by jet aircraft at regionals majority owned by AMR or an affiliate must operate out of nine American hubs or so-called focus cities, while other non-owned regionals cannot fly for American anywhere but into or out of those cities.
The proposed scope clause would completely eliminate the distinction between owned and non-owned regionals.
The new clause would also allow American to place its code on any route on which a carrier that operates both aircraft holding 88 or fewer seats and aircraft carrying 89 or more seats uses the smaller aircraft under the commuter air carrier section of the APA contract. Finally, it would modify the methodology of counting so-called commuter aircraft to reflect only those providing code share with American Airlines and change the definition of hubs and major airports to encompass only “cornerstone” cities (DFW, ORD, MIA, JFK and LAX). The current contract defines nine cities as “hub” or “major.”
So you guys are getting 175s or does it sound like more outsourcing???
February 6, 2012, 12:46 PM
AMR management has proposed loosening the scope clause language in its Allied Pilots Association (APA) contract as part of its plan to return to profitability following its eventual exit from bankruptcy. Language in the so-called term sheet issued to the American Airline pilots, 400 of whom face furlough as part of the plan, calls for a change in the definition of a “commuter carrier” to allow American Eagle and other regional affiliates to fly either jet or turboprop aircraft with a passenger capacity of 88 seats and an mtow as high as 114,500 pounds. Perhaps more significantly, the new clause would allow regional affiliates to fly as many as 255 jets with a passenger capacity of between 51 and 88 seats—or up to 50 percent of the total number of mainline aircraft. The maximum number of jets holding 50 seats or less allowed during any six-month period would equate to the number of narrowbody aircraft at American Airlines multiplied by 110 percent.
*
Under the current scope clause, American’s APA contract defines a commuter carrier as one operating aircraft with a maximum passenger capacity of 50 seats and a maximum takeoff weight of no more than 64,500 pounds. Exceptions include the 47 seventy-seat Bombardier CRJ700s Eagle now operates and 42 ATR 72 turboprops it plans to ground. As in the new proposal, the current contract allows the number of 50-seat jets at the regionals to rise only as high as 110 percent of the number of narrowbody aircraft flown at the mainline.*
Meanwhile, limits on certain nonstop flying by regionals differs depending on whether AMR owns a majority of the airline of not. For example, 85 percent of departures by jet aircraft at regionals majority owned by AMR or an affiliate must operate out of nine American hubs or so-called focus cities, while other non-owned regionals cannot fly for American anywhere but into or out of those cities.
The proposed scope clause would completely eliminate the distinction between owned and non-owned regionals.
The new clause would also allow American to place its code on any route on which a carrier that operates both aircraft holding 88 or fewer seats and aircraft carrying 89 or more seats uses the smaller aircraft under the commuter air carrier section of the APA contract. Finally, it would modify the methodology of counting so-called commuter aircraft to reflect only those providing code share with American Airlines and change the definition of hubs and major airports to encompass only “cornerstone” cities (DFW, ORD, MIA, JFK and LAX). The current contract defines nine cities as “hub” or “major.”
So you guys are getting 175s or does it sound like more outsourcing???
However bad at AA it gets, it's not realistic for Eagle to have better, which is the whole point. The career Eagle guy will be topped out at $80,000/year and break his back for that..........if that pilot stays for at least 15 years. One need only look at what the future for the AA pilots is to see what is likely to happen, across the board at AMR.
03-17-2012, 03:58 PM
#5365
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I expect them to get E175's and probably a limited number of larger E's, but others will fly some of their former routes and they'll fly those new aircraft for at or below what they're currently flying smaller RJ's for. AA will go downhill as a career stop, so one could expect Eagle and other AA feeders to be worse. An example is pension (or what passes for it nowadays). Not sure whether the A-plan will be frozen or terminated, but the B-plan will likely end up as an enhanced 401(k) (13-14%). Eagle's will likely go from 50-100% matching depending on longevity (up to 8%), to a flat 50% match up to 6-8%.
However bad at AA it gets, it's not realistic for Eagle to have better, which is the whole point. The career Eagle guy will be topped out at $80,000/year and break his back for that..........if that pilot stays for at least 15 years. One need only look at what the future for the AA pilots is to see what is likely to happen, across the board at AMR.
However bad at AA it gets, it's not realistic for Eagle to have better, which is the whole point. The career Eagle guy will be topped out at $80,000/year and break his back for that..........if that pilot stays for at least 15 years. One need only look at what the future for the AA pilots is to see what is likely to happen, across the board at AMR.
03-17-2012, 04:11 PM
#5366
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tired of the lousy overnights and crap pay already!
03-17-2012, 04:37 PM
#5367
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Are you implying my opinion of what is going to happen at AMR, is somehow against company policy (in that case hundreds of pilots here would be in the same boat with their airlines)...........or are you implying a group of you guys are somehow going to "get even" as you apparently (although really don't) know my identity ?
I think it's the latter..........and this is the second time you've made this veiled threat without specifics. Again, I ask you to quantify EXACTLY which posts of mine you are referring to. You've busted just about every forum rule here on a personal jihad against me and have the stones to make threats like this........
....................THEN BACK THEM UP WITH SPECIFICS.
As for who I am kid, you've been playing with idiots, because I'm confident the ones jerking your chain know nothing.
I don't work for your company and my treatment of you on this forum is arguably far better then your treatment of me. Again aside from just general inflammatory posts aimed SPECIFICALLY at me (including starting a thread bastardizing my screen name, SOLELY for the purposes of insult), insinuting threatening action ("we know who you are", etc.) and assisting in attempting outing of personal identity (although failed), put your **** in a wringer far more then me.
My opinions on various subjects may be ones you disagree with, but it has been YOU that has taken things to a personal level (which I'm in constant defense of). If your veiled threat is regarding our interaction, I recommend to YOU that you read your own posts and see how you will look first.
Capise ?
03-17-2012, 04:52 PM
#5368
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03-17-2012, 05:20 PM
#5369
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Wingtips claimed to know who I was and who I work for in a threat to go to my employer and offer to do my job for less money with a resume that had incredibly inflated times. Suffice it to say, he is full of crap and doesn't know ****.
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