odog1121

I don't want the best compensation for myself, I want a fair and equitable compensation for the pilot group as a whole. Making 100K vs 85K after taxes is about what? 8K take home difference after fed,med,ss,state,etc taxes. It's really spit. I'd rather take a paycut and see the money goes to a coworker that's more underpaid. Heck, after 20 years here, I get 100% of 8% match. That's an extra 8K extra in compensation alone, about 4 months of new hire pay.

Anyways, so now you're at your AA, you'd have no problem then for me to use the same logic your generation used then right? Since I only want to do domestic flying.

Eagle CA flies A320 for what you guys would do it for -$10/hr while new hires subsidizing the costs by topping out at $40/hr. This would be GREAT for ME, but I would never endorse it because I don't have the ME ME ME attitude like your generation.

450knotOffice

Like YOUR generation? How is it that every generation that follows feels they own the moral superiority card? Don't you see the irony of just such a statement? C'mon, man. I'm sure you're a nice guy in the crew lounge and in the cockpit, so why not keep it civil on a forum?

eaglefly

I made no assumptions about what will happen with SWA in the future.......unlike you. It seems assumption is your forte, though. I've been in the industry 2.5 decades, through multiple contracts, the gulf war, 9/11, mergers and at 2 full-blown cycles and I haven't got the future pegged. Here you are, a 20-something regional pilot, probably 5 years out of a 172 flight line and you've got it all figured out.

At first glance, it's halarious, but upon deeper investigation, it's quite scary. God, some of the new kids these days.................

odog1121

You know, it just boils me when people call the "younger" generation the entitlement generation and is responsible for the industry's ills. They think the couple thousand people hired with low time in what? 3 years (2005-2007) is to be blamed for everything, and the progression that happened the 15 years beforehand at their stewardship don't matter. It's ironic, if you take a look at segment of the population in our society that's truly the entitlement group, I would put it squarely in the 40-60 age group.

You are right of course, no excuse to become uncivil.

eaglefly

Perhaps you should contact ALPA and get their support for having the new-hires call the shots ?

I mean it sounds like you guys got not only Eagle, but the entire industry figured out. But hey, here's my question to you;

The situation at Eagle what it is, WHY did you CHOOSE to take employment there ?

-Pick One;

A. I had no clue about the industry I spent $50-75,000 for qualifiaction in.
B. I failed to do due dilligence in selecting my employer.
C. I DID know Eagle had long upgrade time, but I though coming here anyway wouldn't be a problem if I could complain on an internet forum.
d. All of the above.

What, working to make Eagle compensate as much as possible for the work performed ?

Nope, no problem there.

There is a crowd there who advocates exactly that. Many of them ARE part of the "me" crowd, that's why they declined transfer to AA. They believe that they can undercut AA and get larger planes or get DOH in an SLI. Some just couldn't psychologically be F/O's again.

I can't connect the dots on how reationalizing reducing pay or making Eagle an upgrade puppy mill would promote preventing your hypohisis. It's true though that this industry is a product of Airlinii Pilotus. Pilot's greatest strength is their instinct to push anyone under the bus that impedes their own progress across the street. I don't expect that to change, just descend to a point of it becoming intolerable. If I haven't left by then, I will. Listening to some of you guys make that all the more certain IMO.

odog1121

Mostly C. I came here when it was an 10 year upgrade and that's what I planned on, anything below that is a bonus.

I'm not complaining about my position. I'm really not trying to complain at all. I just have a problem with people like you that come on here blaming "my generation", I truly don't even know what that means, thus I can only respond with "your generation". As if nothing "your generation" did contributed to the state of the industry.

eaglefly

I think you need to review this thread, my friend. If you do, you'll note my comment of sadness where Eagle is going to be a reference to SOME of the "dregs" that have been hired lately, namely those that are SUPPOSED to be on the same team attacking one another. It was in reference to the inter-airline bickering going on, primarily Mr. Wingtips.

I made no reference to any "generation".

Furthermore, it was YOU who brought up that term in response to me, where I had not used it and also included your approval of those of my generation "dying off". I think you've demonstrated your true colors quite clearly.

samballs

I'm pretty sure every generation after the baby boomers will feel superior..

odog1121

You're right, that was uncalled for, I apologize.

What

YaY!!! So this fixes our differences? We can now turn our efforts on the pilot shortage and how to stick it to management