meeko031

...thanks, is that a fact ? you're acting like i have no options in life!

DashDriverYV

I bet bk guts aa scope and the now cheaper eagle gets bigger metal. If eagle gets divested after bk they will be so cheap go jet will be worried.

MusicPilot

Not sure if you're referring to me as bitter. No reason for me to be. I'm just being realistic. I've been around long enough, through bankruptcy, and furlough to understand all possibilities. Just when you think its going to go one way it goes the other. To me, the glass is both half full and empty. There's super kool aid at every carrier and many drink from it. If you don't think outside the box in this business it'll bite you in the a$$. Thanks for the life advice. I'm pretty sure I'm happy with the way I'm living.

MusicPilot

Wasn't talking about props and if you think they make money than you might want to give DL and EV a call. You need to read what I write and whom I'm speaking to. You don't have to be a psychic to see what's initially going to happen. I hate to see anyone push to the street. It happened to me and because I had some belief in the kool aid fountain I ended up being furloughed a lot longer than I planned on. I just want some of the kool aid drinkers to think a little more clearer.

Plan for the worst but hope for the best.

meeko031

that's all that matters

32LTangoTen

RJPilot: Maybe your willing to listen to what I know...now that things are coming together (apart?)

Whacker77

Isn't it just as possible AA is playing hardball with this announcement and is hoping it gets concessions? A month ago, Eagle was projecting 500 new hires in 2012. I don't see how a bankruptcy everyone knew was coming changes things completely. Eagle may end up smaller, but there is some reason to believe hiring will have to resume because retirements are coming in 2012 thanks to the age 65 rule. Crucify me for being slightly optimistic, but this news doesn't fit with what we're seeing in an economy that is growing, even if it is at a small rate.

flysooner9

most of the hiring was for anticipation of our captains flowing to AA, that clearly isn't happening in 2012 if ever.

buddies8

Oh and GA, TH and DG had no idea what they were going to do. Sure. How new are you to the industry. Always hire up to the day you furlough is the mantra. Both AA and AE mgt knew BK was coming, they just kept carrots out to see if anyone bites. APA did not and of course the ALPA dog group did.

You may not know which card AMR will play next but you will know there cards they hold. The AE furlough is a shot across the bow, 1 for the dummy MEC at AE and warning to APA play nice or the next furlough will be you.

embraer

Keep in mind that our captains flowing to AA was in anticipation of their upcoming retirements.

I know much perspective has been lost since this whole BK thing happened, but lets not forget that 2012 is the year when major retirements begin at all the legacy airlines, AA included.

This is not something AA, AMR, APA, or anybody else has control over. Those pilots due to hit 65 must go. Many will retire before 65. All of our flow-through agreements are still in place. The 824 flow through is a grievance that was awarded by another judge and cannot be thrown out. They must flow when AA needs them. A quick look back at the projected retirements at AA for 2012 and beyond will show that our 824 captains will be needed sooner rather than later.

So I know there is much doom and gloom right now. In reality all we have is uncertainty. Hang on to things we do know and take everything else with a grain of salt. Talk to anybody who was at Delta, United, Continental, etc.. when they went through BK.

Things like speculations, rumors, doom, gloom, and having the peanut gallery talk about you and your company in third person is all part of the game.