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Old 11-15-2011, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by odog1121
Training is so backed up, expect them to finish IOE 8 months from now.
That's better then furlough which is about to happen when they file Chapter 11 next week.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:04 PM
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That's better then furlough which is about to happen when they file Chapter 11 next week.
OOPS... I have an interview with them in a week.....
The stock closed at 1.92 today...ouch...
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
It must suck to be stuck with me on a 4 day trip then. I really enjoy flying with kids like yourself that think that knows everything. I still call the shots like it or not.
It does suck, I know this and I'm not even on your equipment. You've got a reputation. Just remember, when you're having a conversation with your FO, they're really thinking, "****, no one gives a ****, I want to strangle you." this is all second hand ofcourse.

Oh, you're bragging about making 110K/yr? Please
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:10 PM
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its highly unlikely they will go ch11 for at least 6 months, they got a bunch of cash on hand, they lose that if they go ch 11 towards debts, they do not want that.
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
its highly unlikely they will go ch11 for at least 6 months, they got a bunch of cash on hand, they lose that if they go ch 11 towards debts, they do not want that.
Why? So they can continue to loose money quarter after quarter until its all gone? Or because they want to give union workers bigger contracts just so they end up screwing creditor and employees when they file? That cash on hands gives them more leverage to emerge from bankruptcy then if they entered with nothing. If they go into BK with nothing they run the risk of full liquidation. You got to have assets and cash or they will not be able to restructure and attract exit financing. No cash or assets, no airline, plain and simple. Plus they can screw the employee’s into lower wages, terminate the pensions, and force all creditors to take a haircut on their notes. BK is a win win for AMR. In 2004 they hired Goldman to studying the airline and they suggested filing then. They said no way the airline will survive under its current model. They were right, we are weeks or months away from AMR walking into a federal court near you.

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Old 11-15-2011, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
A reputation among FO's? Im hurting inside. Before start checklist.
Works great till you need something, screw up, or try and do something that back fires. You really should lose that attitude fast, esp since more than a few of us know who you are.
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:32 PM
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Heads up... here come the fear grenades

I could post an entire thread worth of fear grenades that have turned out to be duds...many directed at me personally. What have I learned: don't listen to the crusty, jaded, "I hate my life" types who use internet forums as release valves.
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by stbloc
Why? So they can continue to loose money quarter after quarter until its all gone? Or because they want to give union workers bigger contracts just so they end up screwing creditor and employees when they file? That cash on hands gives them more leverage to emerge from bankruptcy then if they entered with nothing. If they go into BK with nothing they run the risk of full liquidation. You got to have assets and cash or they will not be able to restructure and attract exit financing. No cash or assets, no airline, plain and simple. Plus they can screw the employee’s into lower wages, terminate the pensions, and force all creditors to take a haircut on their notes. BK is a win win for AMR. In 2004 they hired Goldman to studying the airline and they suggested filing then. They said no way the airline will survive under its current model. They were right, we are weeks or months away from AMR walking into a federal court near you.


It does not work like that, when you go BK that money becomes the courts and is used towards debt and the restructuring, the court if they wanted to could put it toward pensions. Also top management is going to lose a lot in bk.
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
A reputation among FO's? Im hurting inside. Before start checklist.
Lol, "before start checklist?" that again? We get it, you've been here longer than 5 years, you want a trophy?

Probably the same reputation among family too, they'll all give you the same smile to your face too.

Whatever though, I don't know you, just what I hear about you.
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by odog1121
Lol, "before start checklist?" that again? We get it, you've been here longer than 5 years, you want a trophy?

Probably the same reputation among family too, they'll all give you the same smile to your face too.

Whatever though, I don't know you, just what I hear about you.
Actually, pilots like him are typically the ones who get pushed around at home like a rag doll....then play God while on the road to make up for their loss in masculinity.

I have seen it far too often, both in the airlines and at my previous 135 and CFI jobs.
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