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10-05-2011, 05:40 AM
#3751
Underpaid...
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
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That's exactly what I mean. I don't like to subjective and tell folks how to think, but I hope folks aren't coming here because of the"flow" to AA. To me, it's an empty promise until it's in writing. There are/will be other companies out there besides us. Will be glad to have you, but don't get your hopes up for AA.
10-05-2011, 02:43 PM
#3752
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 545
The AA flow is a long shot and could take year before the first group of pilots outside of the 824 get to go. BK, at AA could happen. The Eagle spin off (I've had my opinion that it might not happen) and it actually might not happen. Everything has always been about pilot contracts. The Eagle spin off has as much to do with the AA pilot contracts. For those that are not at Eagle yet, right after AMR announced the Eagle spin off they approached the pilots and are trying to extend our industry average contract for the next decade. Our contract becomes amendable in 2013 and there is allot of uncertainty on the supply and demand of pilots at that time, management understands that we (pilots) will probably have leverage and will demand a better contract. The AA contract controls what happens at Eagle with regards to SCOPE. The AA SCOPE is so tight that AMR wouldn't gain anything by outsourcing. AA has said it will not give in on SCOPE (we will see what the end result is). Movement on AE, We have projected 1,000 Pilots going to AA in the first 1,600 pilots they hire. Something drastic would have to happen for this to be affected. That is 2/3 of captains at AE. This should create movement. AE is being proactive (late but they are doing it) they are hiring like crazy and have stopped vacancy bids. They have stopped vacancy bids because of the new contract extension they are trying to signed that would reduce training events (jumping from aircraft to aircraft). AE lost around 250 captains to AE in the last year but have hired over 2 times that amount of FO, and are continuing to do hire. Make no mistake is in the best interest go the company to send as many pilot to AA as possible. Please realize that we have a 4.5 year upgrade time, but most captains that are under 10 years of seniority are sitting on reserve (very senior pilot group). We should see allot of movement coming up, we could see parking of aircraft and we could see flying outsourced. We will know more when the AA pilot contract is signed.
US Air has been desperate to merge with one of the "big Four" for years now. The only one left on it's own is AA..and with BK looming a merger is not out of the question. Latest I saw on the news is that the CEO of US Air has in fact been in contact with AMR regarding just such a thing.
10-05-2011, 03:05 PM
#3753
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 168
I'm delayed because our sim was double booked, we were at FlightSafety and a foreign carrier was already in the sim. There was no opportunity to get caught up and the entire balance went out the window. Other people are delayed because they unsat lessons. Either way, too many people not enough sims, instructors nor checkairman. I feel sorry for the people that make these schedules.
10-05-2011, 03:38 PM
#3754
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 125
Good points, but also remember the other variable: Merger. If AA merges with any other airline then everything as we know it (contracts, flow throughs, etc..) goes right out the window.
US Air has been desperate to merge with one of the "big Four" for years now. The only one left on it's own is AA..and with BK looming a merger is not out of the question. Latest I saw on the news is that the CEO of US Air has in fact been in contact with AMR regarding just such a thing.
US Air has been desperate to merge with one of the "big Four" for years now. The only one left on it's own is AA..and with BK looming a merger is not out of the question. Latest I saw on the news is that the CEO of US Air has in fact been in contact with AMR regarding just such a thing.
10-05-2011, 03:53 PM
#3755
Does NOT get weekends off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: ERJ - 145
Posts: 1,631
Also MW was telling me it has a lot to do with the number of FOs to Captains. They want to do LOFT with Captains and FOs and while there are a number of FOs going through the pipe, the number of captains isn't too high. I also heard unfortunately that a lot of captains have failed their type rides
10-05-2011, 04:07 PM
#3756
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Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 38
Also MW was telling me it has a lot to do with the number of FOs to Captains. They want to do LOFT with Captains and FOs and while there are a number of FOs going through the pipe, the number of captains isn't too high. I also heard unfortunately that a lot of captains have failed their type rides
10-05-2011, 06:59 PM
#3757
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Posts: 545
10-06-2011, 05:21 AM
#3758
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: B-737 CA
Posts: 83
Sounds simple, but the fact that it's a type ride and the added pressure of the Feds watching over your shoulder and you have a recipe for a nervous pilot.
It's so much more than "just a steep turn".
10-06-2011, 10:25 AM
#3759
Does NOT get weekends off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: ERJ - 145
Posts: 1,631
That's why people fail their type rides. There are so many small things you can get nailed for: from basic engine start procedures and taxi routes to abnormal procedures and decision making.
Sounds simple, but the fact that it's a type ride and the added pressure of the Feds watching over your shoulder and you have a recipe for a nervous pilot.
It's so much more than "just a steep turn".
Sounds simple, but the fact that it's a type ride and the added pressure of the Feds watching over your shoulder and you have a recipe for a nervous pilot.
It's so much more than "just a steep turn".
10-06-2011, 10:37 AM
#3760
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,822
Really? Feds makes the applicant nervous? If thats the case, I don't want to be a pax when the manure hits the fan up front. You have to be able to perform under pressure. I guess we have a bunch of Tony Romo's at Eagle. Bunch of chokers. It's silly that guys are busting just because the FAA is observing the DE perform the ride.
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