embraer

With all our ATRs half way to the desert I am fully anticipating a huge wave of senior ATR FOs coming in above me, you, and most other guys.

This 40% shrinkage should be interesting...especially if we get bought out and all our AA flow through agreements go out the window.


Dude, check your jepps...the pages right before the ORD airport diagram would be a good start.

MatixPilot

I highly doubt the ATR's are going away anytime soon. They all have gotten brand spankin new paint jobs and will continue to fly. They are cheap to operate and can carry a full load of pax/bags.

The Chow

12 are going away next year. Or so the story goes....

ERJF15

Wow! Please tell us, by now you know how to read a chart? That's basic airline pilot 101. Ask the folks on the lounge.

What

Well actually I can only count 2 ATR with new shinny paint in DFW, and the 212A are probably the last ones to go. You do have a point, more than half the flying done out of DFW in the ATR the jet can't do. It would take 2 jets to replace an ATR on allot of the routes. But it will be interesting to see what they do since we are having major maintenance issues and we are losing allot of the experience mechanics.

What

The Form 10 says that AMR can start putting 12 ATR a year up for bid, why does everyone think that they are gone automatically. For the ATR to be gone someone else has to come up with a certificate that the ATR is the largest airplane, develop a program, qualify Check airman, sim instructors and finally train the crews. AA SCOPE states that the only thing over 50 seats besides the Eagle CRJ (must be operated by Eagle pilots) can be 39 ATR. So no Colgan Q400. I could be wrong but this is my understanding, we need people to stop being so scarred, this is what AMR wants so we get locked in to a Industry standard contract until the next decade! Everyone keeps saying early next year the ATR will be gone, do the math... Allot of crews to be displaced.

Around 100 ATR pilots in Dallas, it probably cost about 25,000 to fully qualify us into a new aircraft, that's 2,500,000 Dollars worth of training. I don't think Colgan can provide the feed that cheap right away.

Colgan 5 year Q400 Captain gets paid $64 and first year FO $26
Eagle 10 Year ATR Captain gets paid $ 80 and first year FO $25
FA Probably make 5 dollars an hr more so ad an extra 10

*there are other factors as well, contract and benefits but lets call those equal.

Colgan could probably do it 23 dollars an hr cheaper, with fuel at around 3 dollars a gallons that's around 8 gallons or around 60lbs of fuel. Remember that whoever takes some of the Eagle flying will use Eagle ground crews, and we already supply allot of ground handling for other airlines at the outstations. I am sure the ATR with an Eagle crew can overcome this number extremely easy. Not to mention if nothing extreme happens Eagle is about to cut their pilot cost substantially.

What

Where has this mentioned? I haven't seen it. Please tell me since I fly the prop I want to know what my future is.

What

Understand, and AMR has also stated that they have no plans of buying replacement aircraft. We have to wait and see what happens at AA, after that is settled they will have a better idea on what their options are. Right now AMR can't do anything more than fly the ATR once the AA contract is done (should be soon since new hires will be on property sooner retaken than later and they will get the pension from the current contract). So as of right now AA can only fly what Eagle has (well they can actually add more 50 seaters). But you need the props in DFW more than anywhere else. To many military installations with heavy bags. The ATR runs out of room (unless it's stupid hot) before it runs into MTOW. So we shall see what happens.

embraer

Actually, the only location the ATRs are essential is in the Carribbean where some of the runways can't support the jets. Other than that all routes out of DFW and other bases are easily covered by the ERJs.
Just a few examples of traditional prop routes now flown by jets out of DFW: ACT, TYR, and ABI.

It is has already been decided that the ATRs and ERJ 140/135s will be parked. ATR guys will be displaced over to the jets...but under the current proposed TA the pay will continue being at ATR rates.

More importantly, the 145s and CRJs that do remain will be owned by AA who can transfer them (without us) to any company they want. Don't be surprised to see the words, "operated by....." on our aircraft in the near future....

What

Of course any aircraft can do the ATR routes! How many ERJ 145 would take to do a GRK or SPS with 50 pax and military bags? Yes there are two locations in the Carribean that require a prop. But do the math in EYW with a jet to Miami! All we see and hear will probably change in the near future and again we don't know what will happen!