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09-25-2011, 03:19 PM
#3591
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You do understand that the judge will probably rule on industry average. So go look at our pay scales and tell me how much higher they are than industry average. Also, what do you think about RAH parking ERJ. Regionals would love to add AMR flying but AMR SCOPE is tight and 50+ seats is maxed out already and those airplanes have to be flown by Eagle pilots. AMR sitting in a good position to screw employees like the people think. Mechanics are starting to leave, AA pilots are retiring and they are now trying to train as many pilots as they can and they are starting to have an increase in new hire failure. Did I mention that they ATR are being a maintenance headache lately (more than ever). For AMR to move forward it will have to work with it's employees instead of trying to burn them further. Just wait until Oct 1, things will become interesting.
09-25-2011, 03:21 PM
#3592
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Tell me how a judge would rule industry average if that's not working at the moment? Show me where they looked at industry average when other airlines filed. I love how people think that Eagle would waltz through AMR's BK as if nothing will happen to them. Especialy with them flying some of the most dated equipment in the industry.
09-25-2011, 03:25 PM
#3593
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I never said Eagle would go away? They will restructure like all the others. Asked the Mesaba and Compass guys how BK work for them. You think that turned out fine? Wow I can't believe you would try to argue those companies. Most of them got screwed big time. Don't know much about the Xpress history but I don't recall CO filing BK so not sure how that company was thrown into this argument.
09-25-2011, 03:28 PM
#3594
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Not anymore. That was thrown out as part of the "everybody gets to go to AA" deal. As it stands, AMR can give our planes away to whoever they want and Eagle pilots will not go with them.
Oh, and just found out today that the 824 flow-throughs are not merger protected. Meaning if AA merges with anybody at anytime it will void that flow agreement and the Oct. 11th one as well. With BK looming there is no telling what the courts will do as part of AA's restructuring but a merger is not out of the question. Nor is any further meddling with Eagle.
Remember, we have not been divested yet, are still part of AMR which means they and the BK courts can do what they want to us.
Oh, and just found out today that the 824 flow-throughs are not merger protected. Meaning if AA merges with anybody at anytime it will void that flow agreement and the Oct. 11th one as well. With BK looming there is no telling what the courts will do as part of AA's restructuring but a merger is not out of the question. Nor is any further meddling with Eagle.
Remember, we have not been divested yet, are still part of AMR which means they and the BK courts can do what they want to us.
09-25-2011, 03:33 PM
#3596
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Correct. If AMR files BK prior to an Eagle spinoff, Eagle is subject to an 1113 against any labor group just like AA would be. After that, AE would be a seperate company outside the BK process.
I don't see how any AA merger would "void" the 824 agreement though. I could see it resulting in an extended delay before any AA hiring off the street would take place (perhaps even 5 years or more) and thus take a long time for any of these potentially eligible pilots to actually flow, but a merger automatically voiding it makes no sense to me. The hiring agreement recently reached though is filled with language allowing AMR to bail on that for just about any reason.
I don't see how any AA merger would "void" the 824 agreement though. I could see it resulting in an extended delay before any AA hiring off the street would take place (perhaps even 5 years or more) and thus take a long time for any of these potentially eligible pilots to actually flow, but a merger automatically voiding it makes no sense to me. The hiring agreement recently reached though is filled with language allowing AMR to bail on that for just about any reason.
The catch is that AE and AE/ALPA will not be present at said meeting and thus have no vote. Basically, AA/AMR along with whatever airline they merge with will decide on their own if Eagle pilots get to continue flowing.
If you look at the mess that merging two seniority lists presents you can imagine that the idea of X amount of Eagle pilots flowing over in the coming years will not sound appealing. Add to that the fact that Eagle pilots have no say/vote on the matter and we can pretty much see where it is heading.
09-25-2011, 03:34 PM
#3597
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Posts: 618
I just googled it and saw they took up to 20% pay cut and increased health cost. But whats worse is how many jobs were lost and brooken promises on flow ups and all the new contract carriers brought into continue bidding against each other. Don't forget parking many aircraft's. The same things Eagle will be faced with when AMR goes into court.
09-25-2011, 03:35 PM
#3598
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I never said Eagle would go away? They will restructure like all the others. Asked the Mesaba and Compass guys how BK work for them. You think that turned out fine? Wow I can't believe you would try to argue those companies. Most of them got screwed big time. Don't know much about the Xpress history but I don't recall CO filing BK so not sure how that company was thrown into this argument.
Compass has never been through BK.
09-25-2011, 03:38 PM
#3599
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Right, Compass was brought in to help stab Mesaba pilots in the back. Again another BK trick to screw pilots. But this blueprint has failed. Mid Atlantic and Compass never turned out the way it was planed. Just a another trick to drive pay down.
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