Eagle Life
09-24-2011, 09:23 AM
#3561
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: B737
Posts: 228
Holy crap man. Some things you just need to keep to yourself.
09-24-2011, 10:05 AM
#3562
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 151
I am just saying.
09-24-2011, 01:02 PM
#3564
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Position: forever fo
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09-24-2011, 02:53 PM
#3565
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 545
However, the "on property by Oct. 11th" flow through agreement may-and most likely will-get eliminated. As it stands there are a number of factors which would nullify it anyway.
Either way, all of that pales in comparison to our shiney new TA. I don't think any new hires have been made aware of the new contract that is getting ready to be passed and the implications.
Among other things: we are getting a pay cut. Basically all ERJ pilots in the bottom 100 of the seniority list, including any future new hires will be paid ATR rates. Also, no yearly IAI increases since Eagle now claims that pilots somehow "owe" the company money. Did I mention that Eagle is also going to start parking the ATRs and 140/135s?
To those on the bottom of the seniority list...I would keep your resume fresh.
09-24-2011, 03:27 PM
#3566
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 158
AA declaring BK ( which is seeming more and more likely by the day) won't affect the 824 who are slated to go from Eagle. That is pretty much written in stone.
However, the "on property by Oct. 11th" flow through agreement may-and most likely will-get eliminated. As it stands there are a number of factors which would nullify it anyway.
Either way, all of that pales in comparison to our shiney new TA. I don't think any new hires have been made aware of the new contract that is getting ready to be passed and the implications.
Among other things: we are getting a pay cut. Basically all ERJ pilots in the bottom 100 of the seniority list, including any future new hires will be paid ATR rates. Also, no yearly IAI increases since Eagle now claims that pilots somehow "owe" the company money. Did I mention that Eagle is also going to start parking the ATRs and 140/135s?
To those on the bottom of the seniority list...I would keep your resume fresh.
However, the "on property by Oct. 11th" flow through agreement may-and most likely will-get eliminated. As it stands there are a number of factors which would nullify it anyway.
Either way, all of that pales in comparison to our shiney new TA. I don't think any new hires have been made aware of the new contract that is getting ready to be passed and the implications.
Among other things: we are getting a pay cut. Basically all ERJ pilots in the bottom 100 of the seniority list, including any future new hires will be paid ATR rates. Also, no yearly IAI increases since Eagle now claims that pilots somehow "owe" the company money. Did I mention that Eagle is also going to start parking the ATRs and 140/135s?
To those on the bottom of the seniority list...I would keep your resume fresh.
09-24-2011, 04:07 PM
#3568
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 545
In any case, even if the Oct. 11th flow through agreement has a long life span (which is questionable) it would take years to dip down low enough to affect anybody hired at Eagle within the last 3 years. We are talking 8 years minimum, possibly more. In half that time you could easily apply to and be hired by other legacy carriers.
Of course, this is all assuming that not only the agreement survives but that Eagle itself is still around. Remember that we are becoming an airline with 3,000+ pilots and no aircraft. AMR is telling us to bend over and like it, or else they will contract out all our flying to "others".
If/when AA declares bankruptcy their flying will be reduced and the company will undergo an entire restructuring. Feeders will certainly be affected.
09-24-2011, 05:02 PM
#3569
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: CA
Posts: 186
[QUOTE=embraer;1059622]Exactly. Plus we are paying for the most senior Eagle captains to go to AA with our awesome new pay cuts. We take a further hit to our income so guys making over 100k/year can "afford" to go to AA. Makes sense...
Well you should blame your parents for not being born earlier. You should've done your flying earlier and got hired sooner? No one can control this business and all that it has gone through in the last 10-12 years. I see the 'Me' generation is kicking in again.
Well you should blame your parents for not being born earlier. You should've done your flying earlier and got hired sooner? No one can control this business and all that it has gone through in the last 10-12 years. I see the 'Me' generation is kicking in again.
09-24-2011, 05:03 PM
#3570
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 158
I'm not dogging the new guys, we were all new hires once. It just seems like a lot of the new guys here just parrot all the negative crap they read online without any real perspective to back it up. The "paycuts" are a LONG way from being passed by the pilots, or even reaching a pilot vote. My problem is not so much with the seniority based payscales themselves, but the 8 year extension to the rest of our contract, and the changing of our IAI.
As far as the jobs at AA , I won't argue that anyone hired at eagle now will have a long wait before going over (if it does work out), but what do you expect? Hopefully they'll get a quick upgrade due to all the movement, then they have their pick if they want to go somewhere else. Nobody really knows what will happen till it happens.
As far as the jobs at AA , I won't argue that anyone hired at eagle now will have a long wait before going over (if it does work out), but what do you expect? Hopefully they'll get a quick upgrade due to all the movement, then they have their pick if they want to go somewhere else. Nobody really knows what will happen till it happens.
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