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Old 07-19-2011, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by V1 ROT8
I'm not so sure I'd go that far... see below.



A rough calculation if everyone accepted, based on the minimum 35 % of each new hire class, AA would have to hire roughly 4000 pilots for everyone to be offered a position at AA.

As a newer hire at Eagle I can't say I'm too comfortable with our position right now. This agreement means squat if you no longer work for Eagle when your "time" comes.
So almost 8 years give or take depending on how many senior people with a good qol pass on the offer.
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Old 07-19-2011, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Chow
So almost 8 years give or take depending on how many senior people with a good qol pass on the offer.
8 yrs to transfer to AA, Still Not Bad........
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Old 07-19-2011, 02:15 PM
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To clarify my above statement... When I say no longer work for Eagle, I mean when our flying is farmed out and you are transferred to the new carrier via the scope language.
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Old 07-19-2011, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by V1 ROT8
To clarify my above statement... When I say no longer work for Eagle, I mean when our flying is farmed out and you are transferred to the new carrier via the scope language.
Pending someone else is willing to pay AMR prices for leases on really old 145s in a job market where no one can even fill classes.
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Old 07-19-2011, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Da Magic
Wouldn't be surprised to see new minimums for employment. An ATP.
I dunno... Eagle can't fill classes with 500/50, how would adding an ATP help? Even with all these goodies, most people wouldnt want to work at a company for 8 years (assumed time to get high enough to transfer to AA) THEN get the big time. Those people probably would be better served waiting till AA hires then try interviewing for those 65% remaining slots.
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Old 07-19-2011, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rickt86
Pending someone else is willing to pay AMR prices for leases on really old 145s in a job market where no one can even fill classes.
Very true, but also pending the contract that AMR and APA are supposedly close to agreeing on. What will the scope section look like with such a senior pilot group? Then add to that AMR's supposed "big aircraft order" that should be announced in the next few days and you can see while I'm not exactly jumping for joy right now. If the jobs we could lose would be flying going to back to AA it would be worth it. But I'm not gonna get excited about a "potential" job in 8 + years at AA when this flying will most likely go to other contractors and be used as a whipsaw against us.
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Old 07-19-2011, 02:24 PM
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we will see, this could go all over, it is all part of a bigger puzzle, and I still do not think it is getting rid of Eagle, it is to get more 70 seaters and some 90 seats as well, imo
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Originally Posted by rickt86
... it is to get more 70 seaters and some 90 seats as well, imo
IMO, that's a step backwards as well.
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Old 07-19-2011, 02:49 PM
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ya IDK this is starting to get way outside my paygrade, but I know AA ie AE has very few 70 and no 90 seat jets, while Delta has a ton flying their logo. AA is running Dino 80s on routes that DAL is paying someone to fly with a CRJ900. To me that seems to be the biggest cost gap to AA, not paying a little extra to Eagle. Seems to me they are trying to figure out that scope issue more than anything.
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